Time for Contemplation

Jan 20, 2008,13:05 PM
 

Dear forumners,

I was privileged to have attended the private PuristS session with a gang of PuristS forumners.  It was presented by Mr Alexander Schmiedt, when we could "go deep" into the Montblanc rationale and also "feel" and compare the watches with the targetted rival chronographs - Lange Datograph and LUC Chrono One. 

Thanks SJX for arranging and Montblanc to have extended the invitation to PuristS in the first place.

I did not make an immediate posting because there was so much to absorb and contemplate before the regular "Friday wrist shot frenzy", so (Harry), I would not read too much into the slight delay by other PuristS smile  (Nice photos, by the way - Harry)

Montblanc has a long (100+ years) heritage as a brand with "some expertise" in craftsmanship and luxury  smile  .........understatement or what?   So, I would not need to wait to see what they are capable of, before making a purchase, if I liked the watches. That'll be like waiting to see if Coca-Cola could make fizzy drinks.

This 3rd tranche of Montblanc watches is pitched at the high-end but also the old-end. Montblanc has been through at last 2 previous levels of watchmaking. Without a doubt, Montblanc management considers these Villeret Collection as Montblanc and not just re-hashed Minerva from 2005. They have respect for the history at Villeret but the fact is that without major backing, there would have been no Montblanc Villeret range, and maybe no Minerva.

It was interesting to note that Minerva was too small to even have quartz watches in it's history; truly this is one brand that can claim "Never has there been a quartz (insert brand here) watch......"

So, what's the deal? Why are they willing to make a loss on every Montblanc Villeret watch...at least at the beginning? Mayhaps, there is some truth in previous speculation on this forum: it's a tester of market and QC check; like Lange did between 1994 and 1999. In 1999, Lange 1 models were sold at cheaper prices new than 2nd hand prices today.

Clearly, Montblanc has acquired a heritage in chronographs and want to focus on that, particularly with the big balance wheels and in-house spirals. They have upped the ante with some black polishing compared to previous functional finishing but (not yet) at Lange levels. Their prices are set appropriately (for 2008) below that of Lange and LUC. Their limitation is production and staffing capacity, especially for the balance wheels, spirals, polishers and watchmakers. Hence, note their avowed strategy to only produce the current Villeret collection for couple of years before "moving on to other things".

That is why they can "make a loss" on the current watches. The costs are already amortised and written off in the purchase of Minerva and the current movement stock from 2005. In fact, even breaking even is a bonus. The real value to the corporation is the R&D and training that is going on now....... plus hiring and training.

Meanwhile, they hone skill sets, build upon the tag line: 'Pure Mechanical Watchmaking', refine their components and then.....really compete with the top rivals. In this business, to compete means beating your rivals on as many points of the value proposition as you can. In fact, I suspect that the Target Product Profile requires Montblanc high-end watches to beat the rivals on each of THEIR strong points for an overall balanced winner.

So, what to do with the current crop of watches? It really depends on whether you have unlimited means, patience and luck. Do you wait until the prices go sky-high for a little better finishing in future? Or just get in early now with quite a nice feeling chronograph? Get in early with a watch that will stop production in a couple of years with potential to become a "historic" piece that marked the begininng of Montblanc haut hologerie....or not, as the case may be.......you've got to "speculate to accumulate" or take the cautious normal route to own yet another common Patek Philippe or Lange (at this low price point). What will it be for YOU?

Hypothetically, if I had to choose a Montblanc:

I preferred the smaller 41mm chronograph movement (monopusher at 2 o'clock), which had a smooth action and crisp break; not far off a Lange Datograph or LUC Chrono One. The larger 47mm coaxial monopusher chronograph has a stronger column wheel spring that (ever so slightly) has more resistance and secondary vibration at the break......not to mention that I don't like big wristwatches......

Regards,

MTF








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The Story of the Montblanc Collection Villeret 1858

 
 By: SJX : January 18th, 2008-10:26
(On January 17, Montblanc hosted a cocktail party at its boutique in the Paragon Shopping Centre here in Singapore to showcase its new haute horlogerie Collection Villeret 1858.) The Montblanc Collection Villeret 1858 is made by what was once the Minerva ...  

Part I: The cocktail

 
 By: SJX : January 18th, 2008-10:28
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Part II: The watches

 
 By: SJX : January 18th, 2008-10:30
The Montblanc Collection Villeret 1858 Grand Chronogrape Authenthique, 47mm diameter Cal. 16-29, diameter of 38.4mm and balance wheel alone is 14.5mm in diameter! Seconde Authentique, diameter 41mm Cal. 62-00; the movement ring is not my cup of tea Chrono...  

It appears that Mont Blanc has a lot more to do to garner interest from this ...

 
 By: Horolographer : January 20th, 2008-02:38
community of collectors judging the complete lack of any replies to your thread JX (also of mine as well further down). Unfortunate that it seems like forummers are more interested in showing off what they are wearing on their wrist this weekend. Maybe Mo... 

Harry, you point out an interesting question >>>

 
 By: amanico : January 20th, 2008-02:47
Not sure that Forummers are busy to show off their Wrist Shots. Rather think that some of us ( I belong to those ) are quite sceptic regarding MontBlanc as a Watch Brand. OK, they bought Minerva, a nice , very nice movment maker, but is it enought to get ... 

Does the brand matter?

 
 By: SJX : January 20th, 2008-07:03
Hi Nicolas, I understand the points you make, but then does brand matter? The Montblanc Minerva watches are evidently of high quality, I have yet to hear anyone say they are badly or insufficiently finished. Therefore the tangible aspects of the watch are... 

Mont Blanc has A LOT of work to do IMO

 
 By: AnthonyTsai : January 20th, 2008-11:06
Mont Blanc cannot expect to gain recognition right away in the already so crowded high priced watch category. The only way for Mont Blanc to garner more interest from the PuristS community or any other watch community out there is to get their watches on ... 

Anthony, have I been proven wrong?

 
 By: Horolographer : January 21st, 2008-06:09
This is one instance I hope I am and happy to be proven wrong. I am glad that eventually there are responses to the thread (I certainly hope its not just because I decided to raise the issue but because people had in fact a genuine interest to discuss abo... 

That is a very good question

 
 By: AnthonyTsai : January 21st, 2008-19:01

My Thoughts ...

 
 By: mycroft : January 20th, 2008-08:05

SJX, a fantastic post, but I cannot leave it like it is: Credit where credit is due!

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : January 20th, 2008-08:50
Dear SJX, I would like to comment on a couple of sentences in your excellent review. True, the watches are very beautiful, but suffer from conceptional peculiarities Mycroft so aptly described. 1. The transition of Minerva: You wrote: Minerva's transforma...  

Thanks for the post Magnus

 
 By: SJX : January 20th, 2008-21:30
I agree I should have mentioned Mr Menaldo, that omission is my mistake. As for the second point, I should have been more clear in my post. I did not mean that Montblanc created the line, rather that a lot of effort is obvious in the watch itself, meaning... 

Thanks by beppe menaldo

 
 By: beppe.menaldo : April 8th, 2008-10:11
Dear Sir, i wish to tell you my big thank you, if i dont you know. I spent more than five years of my life to rebulit Minerva in villeret.. All the people, included cabiddu, they have been employed by me. The style of the watches, the type of mouvements, ... 

Time for Contemplation

 
 By: MTF : January 20th, 2008-13:05
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Breguet make writing instruments...but if I buy a pen...

 
 By: justpen : January 21st, 2008-06:13
I...I buy a Montblanc. I have three MB writing instruments and I value them dearly...but I think the big problem that MB have in securing a market for their watches is that they are between the wrist and the elbow. (Fanatically speaking...Ma Ma Who Who ?)... 

An Alternate View ...

 
 By: mycroft : January 21st, 2008-07:59

Minerva, one of the latest

 
 By: bon092 : February 3rd, 2008-11:32
Dear Forum Members I was in a lucky position to acquire one of the late post fry Minerva WG chronochraphs with an Cal 13-20 (two button). It is a beautifull piece of art and I must say that this one of my favorite pieces. I hope Montblanc can equal the th... 

Congrats Wim!

 
 By: SJX : February 3rd, 2008-20:12