SJX, a fantastic post, but I cannot leave it like it is: Credit where credit is due!

Jan 20, 2008,08:50 AM
 

Dear SJX, I would like to comment on a couple of sentences in your excellent review. True, the watches are very beautiful, but suffer from conceptional peculiarities Mycroft so aptly described.

1. The transition of Minerva:
You wrote: Minerva's transformation began when the Frey family sold Minerva to Emilio Gnutti, an Italian businessman with a chequered past who was once on the Forbes Rich List. Mr Gnutti proceeded to move Minerva upmarket by leaps and bounds, pushing up its quality as well as its price. Recruited for that effort was Demetrio Cabiddu, a master watchmaker formerly of Gerald Genta who was involved in the creation of the automatic Grande Sonnerie with Westminster chime in the early nineties.
Well, hired for this task was Mr Beppe Menaldo, who was fired about a year ago in a very unpleasant and obscure way. For the techical part of this efforts, as you wrote, Demetrio Cabiddu was responsible. I admire both men even if it is not politically opportune to do so at the moment.

1. The transition of Minerva:
You wrote: Often enough the story ends here; big brand eats small brand and small brand becomes soulless commercial subsidiary, but fortunately there is more to tell. An extraordinary degree of effort has been invested in the Collection Villeret 1858. The Villeret factory even makes Breguet overcoils in-house; movements are now fitted with overcoils from existing stocks but by next year all hairsprings will be made by hand in-house. And it is worth noting that the hairsprings are enormous - the balance wheel in the large chronograph is a whopping 14.5mm wide!
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Montblanc has also achieved a good tactile feel for the chronograph, the pusher action (all of the chronographs are monopusher) is reminiscent of a fine vintage column wheel chronograph.
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I applaud Montblanc for its efforts in creating a haute horlogerie range...
Now, here is something really to correct. The entire line of this 'Montblanc Villeret Collection' (and this means all four complications and even one more!), was ready already under the duo Menaldo/Cabiddu in early 2005! This even down to the very elaborate wood presentation box. The only visible thing I can detect which I would attribute to Montblanc is the new dial. All this can be read in my May 2005 report on a visit to the manufacture. Click on any images to be transported there:






SJX, my intention si not to take away anything from your report. I just would like to give credit where credit is due. I hope you do not take offense! Best, Magnus (congrats on the fine images! These watches are incredibly difficult to catch on film, err, silicon!)


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The Story of the Montblanc Collection Villeret 1858

 
 By: SJX : January 18th, 2008-10:26
(On January 17, Montblanc hosted a cocktail party at its boutique in the Paragon Shopping Centre here in Singapore to showcase its new haute horlogerie Collection Villeret 1858.) The Montblanc Collection Villeret 1858 is made by what was once the Minerva ...  

Part I: The cocktail

 
 By: SJX : January 18th, 2008-10:28
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Part II: The watches

 
 By: SJX : January 18th, 2008-10:30
The Montblanc Collection Villeret 1858 Grand Chronogrape Authenthique, 47mm diameter Cal. 16-29, diameter of 38.4mm and balance wheel alone is 14.5mm in diameter! Seconde Authentique, diameter 41mm Cal. 62-00; the movement ring is not my cup of tea Chrono...  

It appears that Mont Blanc has a lot more to do to garner interest from this ...

 
 By: Horolographer : January 20th, 2008-02:38
community of collectors judging the complete lack of any replies to your thread JX (also of mine as well further down). Unfortunate that it seems like forummers are more interested in showing off what they are wearing on their wrist this weekend. Maybe Mo... 

Harry, you point out an interesting question >>>

 
 By: amanico : January 20th, 2008-02:47
Not sure that Forummers are busy to show off their Wrist Shots. Rather think that some of us ( I belong to those ) are quite sceptic regarding MontBlanc as a Watch Brand. OK, they bought Minerva, a nice , very nice movment maker, but is it enought to get ... 

Does the brand matter?

 
 By: SJX : January 20th, 2008-07:03
Hi Nicolas, I understand the points you make, but then does brand matter? The Montblanc Minerva watches are evidently of high quality, I have yet to hear anyone say they are badly or insufficiently finished. Therefore the tangible aspects of the watch are... 

Mont Blanc has A LOT of work to do IMO

 
 By: AnthonyTsai : January 20th, 2008-11:06
Mont Blanc cannot expect to gain recognition right away in the already so crowded high priced watch category. The only way for Mont Blanc to garner more interest from the PuristS community or any other watch community out there is to get their watches on ... 

Anthony, have I been proven wrong?

 
 By: Horolographer : January 21st, 2008-06:09
This is one instance I hope I am and happy to be proven wrong. I am glad that eventually there are responses to the thread (I certainly hope its not just because I decided to raise the issue but because people had in fact a genuine interest to discuss abo... 

That is a very good question

 
 By: AnthonyTsai : January 21st, 2008-19:01

My Thoughts ...

 
 By: mycroft : January 20th, 2008-08:05

SJX, a fantastic post, but I cannot leave it like it is: Credit where credit is due!

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : January 20th, 2008-08:50
Dear SJX, I would like to comment on a couple of sentences in your excellent review. True, the watches are very beautiful, but suffer from conceptional peculiarities Mycroft so aptly described. 1. The transition of Minerva: You wrote: Minerva's transforma...  

Thanks for the post Magnus

 
 By: SJX : January 20th, 2008-21:30
I agree I should have mentioned Mr Menaldo, that omission is my mistake. As for the second point, I should have been more clear in my post. I did not mean that Montblanc created the line, rather that a lot of effort is obvious in the watch itself, meaning... 

Thanks by beppe menaldo

 
 By: beppe.menaldo : April 8th, 2008-10:11
Dear Sir, i wish to tell you my big thank you, if i dont you know. I spent more than five years of my life to rebulit Minerva in villeret.. All the people, included cabiddu, they have been employed by me. The style of the watches, the type of mouvements, ... 

Time for Contemplation

 
 By: MTF : January 20th, 2008-13:05
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Breguet make writing instruments...but if I buy a pen...

 
 By: justpen : January 21st, 2008-06:13
I...I buy a Montblanc. I have three MB writing instruments and I value them dearly...but I think the big problem that MB have in securing a market for their watches is that they are between the wrist and the elbow. (Fanatically speaking...Ma Ma Who Who ?)... 

An Alternate View ...

 
 By: mycroft : January 21st, 2008-07:59

Minerva, one of the latest

 
 By: bon092 : February 3rd, 2008-11:32
Dear Forum Members I was in a lucky position to acquire one of the late post fry Minerva WG chronochraphs with an Cal 13-20 (two button). It is a beautifull piece of art and I must say that this one of my favorite pieces. I hope Montblanc can equal the th... 

Congrats Wim!

 
 By: SJX : February 3rd, 2008-20:12