My Thoughts ...

Jan 20, 2008,08:05 AM
 

I have an old Minerva, the new Minerva movements are miles better and much better finished. Now is it 20 times better? I don't think so!

I do fully agree with SJX that one of the things that we used to admire and respect Minerva for was their honesty in pricing and the value they delivered in those times of old. A little like what Moser is now doing within their niche. To climb out of those times to the rarefied stratospheric prices simply by limiting the number of pieces (possibly because of their production capacity, also), does not show me what MontBlanc or Minerva will do as an encore.

Until I know this and understand their strategy, as a collector with limited resources, I will not squander away based on eye candy. Anyway, I only like the time only larger movement with its impressive balance wheel. The dials are a mixed bag and could easily be mistaken for Chopards which have the signature large Roman IV and VIIIs. The addition of "Pure Mecanique Horologere 16-15" just simply serves to cheapen the dial with essentially meaningless grandiosity - IMHO. Only the insecure need announce such features!

Anyway, at 47mm, this piece will be too large for most Asian wrists and is certainly so for mine. The smaller 41mm case has the audacity to sport a movement ring for its movement - the death-knell of a poorly designed watch with a movement specifically made for this case and they can't get it it to fit without a ring? Rubbish, in my mind!

These 2 time only movements also have their Devil's Tail decoration hidden in aesthetically dubious locations. Functionless and just a demonstration of art. Then at least take a look at the Devil's Tail on the chronograph and marvel in its graceful sweep and prominent location.

But then, too bad I don't like chronographs because this is amongst the most beautiful movements, although some light years behind the Datograph. Chronographs are the commonest and yet the single least used complication. I don't know of anyone who has a chronograph or buys one to measure time by. What a joke!

What Watch makers still don't understand to date is that a humongous watch case, however beautifully crafted in whatever exotic wood and even if lined with baby's skin - is as useful to me as a hole in the head! Like I need another one where my wife can rant at me and berate me for my foolish purchases. I have boxes all over my house and no where to keep them and I dare not throw them out in the event that 200 years down the road, I decide to sell my timepieces to pay for my poverty from my ill-spent youth!

Give me my watch wrapped in newspaper and cut some of that damn price to something I can afford!

In its current price range, I would rather get a DeBethune at a level of finish that would fart at Minerva and still laugh at Patek. MontBlanc, wake up! Do your market research - come and talk to collectors!

By the way, serving tuna-based hors d'ourves (sp?) gave many of your guests some of the worst cases of halitosis that I have come across! Spare us all that the next time around please - if there is one ...
This message has been edited by mycroft on 2008-01-20 08:11:43


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The Story of the Montblanc Collection Villeret 1858

 
 By: SJX : January 18th, 2008-10:26
(On January 17, Montblanc hosted a cocktail party at its boutique in the Paragon Shopping Centre here in Singapore to showcase its new haute horlogerie Collection Villeret 1858.) The Montblanc Collection Villeret 1858 is made by what was once the Minerva ...  

Part I: The cocktail

 
 By: SJX : January 18th, 2008-10:28
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Part II: The watches

 
 By: SJX : January 18th, 2008-10:30
The Montblanc Collection Villeret 1858 Grand Chronogrape Authenthique, 47mm diameter Cal. 16-29, diameter of 38.4mm and balance wheel alone is 14.5mm in diameter! Seconde Authentique, diameter 41mm Cal. 62-00; the movement ring is not my cup of tea Chrono...  

It appears that Mont Blanc has a lot more to do to garner interest from this ...

 
 By: Horolographer : January 20th, 2008-02:38
community of collectors judging the complete lack of any replies to your thread JX (also of mine as well further down). Unfortunate that it seems like forummers are more interested in showing off what they are wearing on their wrist this weekend. Maybe Mo... 

Harry, you point out an interesting question >>>

 
 By: amanico : January 20th, 2008-02:47
Not sure that Forummers are busy to show off their Wrist Shots. Rather think that some of us ( I belong to those ) are quite sceptic regarding MontBlanc as a Watch Brand. OK, they bought Minerva, a nice , very nice movment maker, but is it enought to get ... 

Does the brand matter?

 
 By: SJX : January 20th, 2008-07:03
Hi Nicolas, I understand the points you make, but then does brand matter? The Montblanc Minerva watches are evidently of high quality, I have yet to hear anyone say they are badly or insufficiently finished. Therefore the tangible aspects of the watch are... 

Mont Blanc has A LOT of work to do IMO

 
 By: AnthonyTsai : January 20th, 2008-11:06
Mont Blanc cannot expect to gain recognition right away in the already so crowded high priced watch category. The only way for Mont Blanc to garner more interest from the PuristS community or any other watch community out there is to get their watches on ... 

Anthony, have I been proven wrong?

 
 By: Horolographer : January 21st, 2008-06:09
This is one instance I hope I am and happy to be proven wrong. I am glad that eventually there are responses to the thread (I certainly hope its not just because I decided to raise the issue but because people had in fact a genuine interest to discuss abo... 

That is a very good question

 
 By: AnthonyTsai : January 21st, 2008-19:01

My Thoughts ...

 
 By: mycroft : January 20th, 2008-08:05

SJX, a fantastic post, but I cannot leave it like it is: Credit where credit is due!

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : January 20th, 2008-08:50
Dear SJX, I would like to comment on a couple of sentences in your excellent review. True, the watches are very beautiful, but suffer from conceptional peculiarities Mycroft so aptly described. 1. The transition of Minerva: You wrote: Minerva's transforma...  

Thanks for the post Magnus

 
 By: SJX : January 20th, 2008-21:30
I agree I should have mentioned Mr Menaldo, that omission is my mistake. As for the second point, I should have been more clear in my post. I did not mean that Montblanc created the line, rather that a lot of effort is obvious in the watch itself, meaning... 

Thanks by beppe menaldo

 
 By: beppe.menaldo : April 8th, 2008-10:11
Dear Sir, i wish to tell you my big thank you, if i dont you know. I spent more than five years of my life to rebulit Minerva in villeret.. All the people, included cabiddu, they have been employed by me. The style of the watches, the type of mouvements, ... 

Time for Contemplation

 
 By: MTF : January 20th, 2008-13:05
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Breguet make writing instruments...but if I buy a pen...

 
 By: justpen : January 21st, 2008-06:13
I...I buy a Montblanc. I have three MB writing instruments and I value them dearly...but I think the big problem that MB have in securing a market for their watches is that they are between the wrist and the elbow. (Fanatically speaking...Ma Ma Who Who ?)... 

An Alternate View ...

 
 By: mycroft : January 21st, 2008-07:59

Minerva, one of the latest

 
 By: bon092 : February 3rd, 2008-11:32
Dear Forum Members I was in a lucky position to acquire one of the late post fry Minerva WG chronochraphs with an Cal 13-20 (two button). It is a beautifull piece of art and I must say that this one of my favorite pieces. I hope Montblanc can equal the th... 

Congrats Wim!

 
 By: SJX : February 3rd, 2008-20:12