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Vacheron & Constantin ref 3620 - The "Don Pancho", 1936

 By: anon438 : March 27th, 2019-14:30
Phillips: Link New York Times: Link Estimation: ,XX $ Recommendation for the aficionado: Buy it immediately, without limit, there is just one occasion within lifetime. ...  

completely wonderful [nt]

 By: tactictac : March 27th, 2019-15:50

Voice of the Angel

 By: anon438 : March 27th, 2019-21:21
From 'Voice of the Angel: History of Vacheron Constantin Minute Repeaters 1' by Alex Ghotbi with support from Vacheron Constantin 31st of October 2013 " ...According to my good friend George the minute repeater is a very usef... 

Resurrection of an early Haute Horlogerie Grand Master Complication Wrist Watch

 By: anon438 : March 31st, 2019-03:47
How to valuate and appreciate such a find? First of all, it was a great effort for Vacheron specialist team to bring this treasure back to grandeur. ...  


 By: tactictac : March 31st, 2019-09:11
I would have kept one of the previous dials; the one in 2019 is for me too new and swears with a watch of this age...

The dial with the Breguet numerals was never delivered and

 By: alex : April 2nd, 2019-06:53
the original dial comes with the watch

The New Horizon

 By: anon438 : April 1st, 2019-12:52
I've seen several questions about the dial, and it's a quite good question, what would be an appropriate thought. But I will come back later on this topic again. First of all I would think this question arises from a very first impression. My first impres... 

The Don Pancho - Innovation Driven by Purpose

 By: anon438 : April 13th, 2019-12:55
Coming back to the dial, the original dial is off course the real stuff, it bears the evidence about the original story of this watch, the signs only a real life could draw. As the story tells us, this watch was built for an individual called 'Don Pancho'...  

The Moment of Truth

 By: anon438 : April 17th, 2019-22:42

The International Perception Review

 By: anon438 : May 1st, 2019-00:55
江诗丹顿 don pancho : Very little to nothing to find in Chinese language about the Vacheron Constantin 'Don Pancho', from no interest or from no awareness - who know's? , Vacheron Constantin's Most Important Wristwatch , Vacheron Constantin: In Search Of Pe...  

And many, many more to say...

 By: anon438 : May 1st, 2019-01:39
First I was a little disappointed about the perception and the comments droping here and there. Most of them simply copy from Phillips initial words, but very little were able to provide an own opinion. And that from such bright and illuminated bunch of W... 

Don Pancho in chinese

 By: xiaoxiao : May 7th, 2019-19:13
i think it should be “唐 潘乔”

Don Pancho in Chinese

 By: anon438 : May 8th, 2019-02:53
As far as I understand, there is no way to translate names into Chinese.


 By: xiaoxiao : May 8th, 2019-05:29
150 years ago, telephone translate to chinese named "德律风"

It is a Name

 By: anon438 : May 8th, 2019-08:20
Don Pancho is a name, there is no meaning. Don is something like Mr. or Sir but mabybe less formal than 'Sir' in the british sense. Pancho is just the common short form from his real frist name. Yes, they could be created with Chinese signs. But there is ... 

I'm sure that

 By: xiaoxiao : May 8th, 2019-17:39
I'm the first person who send a picture of this watch to the social media Wechat in China.

Is there interest about vintage watches in China?

 By: anon438 : May 9th, 2019-02:41
Is there any interest about vintage Vacheron? Or do they generally prefer the new watches better?

Hmm.. i do understand chinese language..

 By: Teacher Yang : May 9th, 2019-03:06
And if there is interest in china for modern VC pieces.. i think there are interested in vintage VC pieces as well..

i think vintage vc collection

 By: xiaoxiao : May 9th, 2019-06:39
are uncommon in china. rare than vintage pp ,rolex,omega and longines.

Asia collectors always have interest

 By: Teacher Yang : May 9th, 2019-19:01
Thats why VC tour the vintage pieces around.

i think they prefdr new watches better.

 By: xiaoxiao : May 9th, 2019-06:37
vintage vc interest are rare .

In-deep information about vintage Vacheron in Chinese language

 By: anon438 : May 9th, 2019-07:50
Is there any in-deep information about vintage watches in Chinese language available?


 By: xiaoxiao : May 9th, 2019-12:54
i think Chinese collectors also have a huge amount of informations about vintage vcs. But it's rare for us to be more willing to talk about a vintage vc in public through social media.

Why they won't share info about vintage VC online?

 By: anon438 : May 9th, 2019-20:03
It is a good way to enhance knowlege, it a complex topic with a lot of pitfalls.

there is a question

 By: xiaoxiao : May 9th, 2019-12:59
You and I are equally interested in vintage VC. Are you a private collector or an official representative of vc?

I'm private

 By: anon438 : May 9th, 2019-20:05
I'm representative of myself, nobody else. Engineering degree, located in Germany.

I know there is someone here

 By: Teacher Yang : May 9th, 2019-20:13
Looking at this VC forum.. Personally, i think he is the top specialist in VC watches.

That is understandable..

 By: Teacher Yang : May 9th, 2019-19:05
And it also apply to most brands.. But VC do have some really good nice vintage pieces. Let alone the really rare ones. Those are the real deal.

Hi Student !

 By: Teacher Yang : May 9th, 2019-18:57
Your nickname here is nice 😂 You are part of a Wechat watch collector group or ?

No. I am a fan of vintage vc.

 By: xiaoxiao : May 9th, 2019-19:57
i use nickname"student" on thl before it closed. My major job is history education.


 By: Teacher Yang : May 9th, 2019-19:58

How many experience you have with vintage Vacheron?

 By: anon438 : May 9th, 2019-20:23
Hello Student, Do you were fortunate to read the articles of the original The Hour Lounge some years before? It was a online forum initiated by Vacheron Constantin itself, the manager then was Alexandre Ghotbi , now at Phillips Watches . Nowadays you find...  

thank you timeset

 By: xiaoxiao : May 9th, 2019-21:27
I've been paying attention to THL on ins. I've asked a lot of questions before, which may cause some people to misunderstand. In fact, because I can hardly find anyone proficient on vintage VC in China, I have to resort to forums abroad (obviously, my Eng... 


 By: xiaoxiao : May 9th, 2019-21:32

The chinese characters used for

 By: Teacher Yang : May 9th, 2019-23:30
Describing a watch.. in this case a Triple Calendar is always so epic.. i like it

You could not judge from top view only

 By: anon438 : May 10th, 2019-00:13
Hi Student, ref 4241 is the more rare tear drop lug. Do you have the original foto?


 By: xiaoxiao : May 10th, 2019-00:30
i bought a ,different from i think its maybe ...  

Same question, more pictures e.g. side view available?

 By: anon438 : May 10th, 2019-01:01
To judge it, from look at it from only one direction is not enough. The original picture from V&C is not available?


 By: xiaoxiao : May 10th, 2019-02:17
this picture is from one of my friend in shanghai. case , movement number 429851. caliber455. the serverd by vc, exhibitioning and selling in china. if its ,its a rare lugs of reference 4240.

case number 273991

 By: xiaoxiao : May 10th, 2019-03:13
may be i will receive new photos.

On the first sight..

 By: anon438 : May 10th, 2019-03:31
Hi Student, To make an authentication you need more info and of course more pictures (top, side, back, movement, case back, as much pictures, in highest resolution as possible). And I guess you know that already very well. Where you got the watch from, is... 

thank you.

 By: xiaoxiao : May 10th, 2019-03:47
for your valuable suggestions. I'm sure its exhibited and will sell by vc. The dial have been restored. If I want to get movement picture, I must buy it .because I don't want to buy it, so let's just discuss it here. ...  

This was a more difficult question, not well documented ref-variant

 By: anon438 : May 10th, 2019-12:27
This case design is usually refereed to as ref 4240 or 4241, but it is not the standard version of the case whether 4240 nor 4241. It is known there were steel cases from those refs and it is known there have been lug variants. I haven't still seen enough... 


 By: xiaoxiao : May 10th, 2019-15:33
good night.

Some vintage advertisments of the Vacheron & Constantin calendar

 By: anon438 : May 11th, 2019-06:53
one more sample with Christian Selmoni probably the same Vacheron Constantin Les Collectionneurs Triple Calendar ...  

thank you for sharing important informations.

 By: xiaoxiao : May 11th, 2019-13:30
have two different lugs style? or its should be

No, not the lugs make the ref

 By: anon438 : May 11th, 2019-14:43
It is the case design, two different layouts, easy to recognise by the pushers: ref 4240 - pushers down side, cause openings in the snap back for pushers ref 4241 - pushers up side, no openings in the snap back If you open the watch you will recognise it ... 


 By: xiaoxiao : May 11th, 2019-15:19

an interesting question

 By: xiaoxiao : May 13th, 2019-18:29
VC few published the production of one type movement or reference . For example, the Chronometre Royal with caliber1007&1008. In 1942, the VC produced Ref. 4240, triple calendar, using caliber 455 . Then caliber 485, 495 were produced, with models 4241, 4... 

let's proceed here, new calendar thread

 By: anon438 : May 13th, 2019-22:56
Quatum Leap (II) - The Vacheron & Constantin ref 4240 / 4241 Calendar Watches


 By: xiaoxiao : May 13th, 2019-23:19

Hi Student, i received your PM.

 By: Teacher Yang : May 9th, 2019-23:38
I will find time to chat with you in PM as i am not always active in forum. I translate for you.. 我会私下跟你聊。因为我不一定会在这里看你们的对话。

thank you

 By: xiaoxiao : May 9th, 2019-23:44
have a good weekend!

Oh.. i thought what is that..

 By: Teacher Yang : May 9th, 2019-23:25
So now i know what is THL.. The Hour Lounge.. Yes.. i do have an account there as well..

In this forum, I saw many people I knew before.

 By: xiaoxiao : May 9th, 2019-23:51
Alex, tick-talk, Tony C. and a familiar friend, Dan Shao, I don't know if he's in this forum. Before I left a message on ins, nobody answered.