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On the first sight..
Hi Student,
To make an authentication you need more info and of course more pictures (top, side, back, movement, case back, as much pictures, in highest resolution as possible). And I guess you know that already very well.
Where you got the watch from, is actually of no interest for authentication.
The watch always tells the authenticity itself by evidence.
First quick impression without in deep comparison: Dial very clean for the age - probably to clean. Central space of the dial with vertical texture maybe not correct. Crown maybe not correct.
Those steel calendars are often subject to fraudulent falsification.
Vacheron & Constantin ref 3620 - The "Don Pancho", 1936
Phillips: Link New York Times: Link Estimation: ,XX $ Recommendation for the aficionado: Buy it immediately, without limit, there is just one occasion within lifetime. ...
Voice of the Angel
From 'Voice of the Angel: History of Vacheron Constantin Minute Repeaters 1' www.thehourlounge.com by Alex Ghotbi with support from Vacheron Constantin 31st of October 2013 " ...According to my good friend George the minute repeater is a very usef...
Resurrection of an early Haute Horlogerie Grand Master Complication Wrist Watch
How to valuate and appreciate such a find? First of all, it was a great effort for Vacheron specialist team to bring this treasure back to grandeur. ...
Personally
I would have kept one of the previous dials; the one in 2019 is for me too new and swears with a watch of this age...
The dial with the Breguet numerals was never delivered and
the original dial comes with the watch
The New Horizon
I've seen several questions about the dial, and it's a quite good question, what would be an appropriate thought. But I will come back later on this topic again. First of all I would think this question arises from a very first impression. My first impres...
The Don Pancho - Innovation Driven by Purpose
Coming back to the dial, the original dial is off course the real stuff, it bears the evidence about the original story of this watch, the signs only a real life could draw. As the story tells us, this watch was built for an individual called 'Don Pancho'...
The International Perception Review
江诗丹顿 don pancho : Very little to nothing to find in Chinese language about the Vacheron Constantin 'Don Pancho', from no interest or from no awareness - who know's? , Vacheron Constantin's Most Important Wristwatch , Vacheron Constantin: In Search Of Pe...
And many, many more to say...
First I was a little disappointed about the perception and the comments droping here and there. Most of them simply copy from Phillips initial words, but very little were able to provide an own opinion. And that from such bright and illuminated bunch of W...
Don Pancho in Chinese
As far as I understand, there is no way to translate names into Chinese.
It is a Name
Don Pancho is a name, there is no meaning. Don is something like Mr. or Sir but mabybe less formal than 'Sir' in the british sense. Pancho is just the common short form from his real frist name. Yes, they could be created with Chinese signs. But there is ...
I'm sure that
I'm the first person who send a picture of this watch to the social media Wechat in China.
Is there interest about vintage watches in China?
Is there any interest about vintage Vacheron? Or do they generally prefer the new watches better?
Hmm.. i do understand chinese language..
And if there is interest in china for modern VC pieces.. i think there are interested in vintage VC pieces as well..
i think vintage vc collection
are uncommon in china. rare than vintage pp ,rolex,omega and longines.
In-deep information about vintage Vacheron in Chinese language
Is there any in-deep information about vintage watches in Chinese language available?
sure
i think Chinese collectors also have a huge amount of informations about vintage vcs. But it's rare for us to be more willing to talk about a vintage vc in public through social media.
Why they won't share info about vintage VC online?
It is a good way to enhance knowlege, it a complex topic with a lot of pitfalls.
there is a question
You and I are equally interested in vintage VC. Are you a private collector or an official representative of vc?
I'm private
I'm representative of myself, nobody else. Engineering degree, located in Germany.
I know there is someone here
Looking at this VC forum.. Personally, i think he is the top specialist in VC watches.
That is understandable..
And it also apply to most brands.. But VC do have some really good nice vintage pieces. Let alone the really rare ones. Those are the real deal.
Hi Student !
Your nickname here is nice 😂 You are part of a Wechat watch collector group or ?
No. I am a fan of vintage vc.
i use nickname"student" on thl before it closed. My major job is history education.
How many experience you have with vintage Vacheron?
Hello Student, Do you were fortunate to read the articles of the original The Hour Lounge some years before? It was a online forum initiated by Vacheron Constantin itself, the manager then was Alexandre Ghotbi , now at Phillips Watches . Nowadays you find...
thank you timeset
I've been paying attention to THL on ins. I've asked a lot of questions before, which may cause some people to misunderstand. In fact, because I can hardly find anyone proficient on vintage VC in China, I have to resort to forums abroad (obviously, my Eng...
The chinese characters used for
Describing a watch.. in this case a Triple Calendar is always so epic.. i like it
You could not judge from top view only
Hi Student, ref 4241 is the more rare tear drop lug. Do you have the original foto?
Same question, more pictures e.g. side view available?
To judge it, from look at it from only one direction is not enough. The original picture from V&C is not available?
no
this picture is from one of my friend in shanghai. case , movement number 429851. caliber455. the serverd by vc, exhibitioning and selling in china. if its ,its a rare lugs of reference 4240.
On the first sight..
Hi Student, To make an authentication you need more info and of course more pictures (top, side, back, movement, case back, as much pictures, in highest resolution as possible). And I guess you know that already very well. Where you got the watch from, is...
thank you.
for your valuable suggestions. I'm sure its exhibited and will sell by vc. The dial have been restored. If I want to get movement picture, I must buy it .because I don't want to buy it, so let's just discuss it here. ...
This was a more difficult question, not well documented ref-variant
This case design is usually refereed to as ref 4240 or 4241, but it is not the standard version of the case whether 4240 nor 4241. It is known there were steel cases from those refs and it is known there have been lug variants. I haven't still seen enough...
Some vintage advertisments of the Vacheron & Constantin calendar
one more sample with Christian Selmoni probably the same Vacheron Constantin Les Collectionneurs Triple Calendar ...
thank you for sharing important informations.
have two different lugs style? or its should be
No, not the lugs make the ref
It is the case design, two different layouts, easy to recognise by the pushers: ref 4240 - pushers down side, cause openings in the snap back for pushers ref 4241 - pushers up side, no openings in the snap back If you open the watch you will recognise it ...
an interesting question
VC few published the production of one type movement or reference . For example, the Chronometre Royal with caliber1007&1008. In 1942, the VC produced Ref. 4240, triple calendar, using caliber 455 . Then caliber 485, 495 were produced, with models 4241, 4...
let's proceed here, new calendar thread
Quatum Leap (II) - The Vacheron & Constantin ref 4240 / 4241 Calendar Watches
Hi Student, i received your PM.
I will find time to chat with you in PM as i am not always active in forum. I translate for you.. 我会私下跟你聊。因为我不一定会在这里看你们的对话。
Oh.. i thought what is that..
So now i know what is THL.. The Hour Lounge.. Yes.. i do have an account there as well..
In this forum, I saw many people I knew before.
Alex, tick-talk, Tony C. and a familiar friend, Dan Shao, I don't know if he's in this forum. Before I left a message on ins, nobody answered.
