Baron - Mr Red
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Gentlemen all...
Thank you all so much for your kind words and best wishes. I have to say, this forum is consistently a place where decent people discuss their watch passion.. I posted my 6200 on the VRF yesterday only to have one guy cast doubt over the genuineness of the watch. His initial comment was simply to cast uncertainty.....hinting at the doubt rather than being specific. It is typical of VRF for this sort of thing to happen. In the end, it seems, my watch has an original case, original dial, original hands, matching serial number, correct movement and correct engravings. The doubt, it seems, is over the fatness of the lume on the numeral 9, which one "expert" said could be expected to happen on a watch that is 60 years old. What has happened to human nature that it becomes so bitter when another finds some success? Maybe I have been working for myself for too long and without the need for customers or competitors...that I have forgotten just how human nature can react. Below is a copy of my response to the gentlemen who had virtually nothing positive to say.
"Thank you so much.
For a watch that is stunningly rare, with a correct case, correct dial, 92%+ condition, correspondingly correct serial number, correct original hands, correct movement and engravings.... I am very grateful to you for paying specific attention to the fact that I should be concerned that the lume on the 9 may have shrunk somewhat over the last 60 years. Having looked at a wide range of lumes on the various 6200s, it is true that they do indeed vary. In fact, they vary so much that they are almost all different. I guess that one might indeed expect that could happen on a 60 year old watch.
Am I tempted to return the watch on the back of this issue? Well, i guess that would be a bit like taking delivery of a Ferrari 250 GTO and sending it back because it had a flat battery.
Again, many thanks for your help."
For a watch that is stunningly rare, with a correct case, correct dial, 92%+ condition, correspondingly correct serial number, correct original hands, correct movement and engravings.... I am very grateful to you for paying specific attention to the fact that I should be concerned that the lume on the 9 may have shrunk somewhat over the last 60 years. Having looked at a wide range of lumes on the various 6200s, it is true that they do indeed vary. In fact, they vary so much that they are almost all different. I guess that one might indeed expect that could happen on a 60 year old watch.
Am I tempted to return the watch on the back of this issue? Well, i guess that would be a bit like taking delivery of a Ferrari 250 GTO and sending it back because it had a flat battery.
Again, many thanks for your help."
I say it again and again, VRF is an odd forum. I won't be posting on there again. There is not a great deal of warmth and friendship on VRF. There is another motivation at work. As far as I am concerned, if i can post my watch on VRF and the best of the criticism is that the lume on the 9 may have shrunk over the last 60 years, then hell, I have one awesome watch!
Nobody wants to buy a watch that is not correct. Of course not. And having the ability to ask opinion of people who are true experts is a valuable thing. For that access, I am always indebted to those that help me. But, how many real experts are there? Well, lets put it this way, a lot less than those that see themselves as experts on VRF.
Again, and with sincerity this time to those on this forum, many thanks for your words. I have an awesome 6200 and I can definitely live with a skinny lume on my 9!!! Hahaha. The more I think about it, the more absurd it becomes.
J
Rolex Big Crown joy
For some time, I have looked at the big crowns and wondered if ever I would manage to find one that I fell for. I have owned a Tudor BC before, but for one reason or another I decided not to keep it. I have never owned a Rolex big crown. I saw an absolute...
Baron, this is not Joy, but Hysteria, my friend.
Not only you got a 6200, but aa very nice one. An icon, a very important watch, which can sum what is a Subamriner, as the mother of all Subs. One of the two or three Vintage Rolex which count. You know how much I love my Tudor 7924, but it can't compete ...
Nicolas....
...well, I guess you knew it was coming.... man, i forgot just how big those cronwns are back to being a member of the Order of the Knights of the Big Crown again!!
They are just magic, Baron. Happy to know that you found YOUR BC.
That is just the king's choice! Best, Nicolas
Looks like you reeled in a big one
Very big congrats on the new acquisition. Wear it in good health. Bill
Hello Baron! I share your excitement you surely are experimenting...
... with this great find! This is a most important piece of history for Rolex diving watches. Yes, I guess it is time for you to focus in enjoying these beauties. You deserve it! These timepieces too! That´s the name of the game, enjoying what we have. So...
Wow...Wow...Wow...
big congrats for sourcing the Holy Grail of Submariner collecting. Simple as that ;-)
Stunning
Congratulations. A superb watch. Worth living in a shed for. I would do it to Enjoy and may it bring you health and happiness! Edmond
Oh, what a joy! :)
HUGE, huge congrats, my friend! I am very happy for you! So, now there is a BC to stay in the collection! Best Blomman
I have nothing to say except "You lucky ***&#&"
Now you have reach thereach the highest peak or deepest ... perhaps it's time to sell me your death star. You have no use of it now. PS if you got sick of living in the shed you can have my house in the warm tropics. We can do a swap just leave the 6200 I...
I admire your collecting journey,
it takes alot of luck, fate, networks, chance and of course some sea-viewing beach resorts to land a rare piece like this. I can't think of any other ways to collect a vintage better than a friend's assistance to top it all. The watch is rightfully yours ...
Okay...
Now that's amazing. Love the crown... that's the kind of vintage every Purist lusts for! Thanks for sharing. - Scott
Gentlemen all...
Thank you all so much for your kind words and best wishes. I have to say, this forum is consistently a place where decent people discuss their watch passion.. I posted my 6200 on the VRF yesterday only to have one guy cast doubt over the genuineness of th...
Well...
even if a little bit of lume is missing, the "9" still looks very nice. You're right not to expect perfection for a 60 years old toolwatch. Crazy prices now demand crazy standards, that most of the time just don't make any sense imho.
Ok, let's do a trade. I trade the latest Tudor Black Bay with impeccable indexes
for your poor 6200 with its falling luminous... And as you're a friend, no extra cash from your side. I would be less severe about VRF... There are very good people, there, like let's say, in a polite way, much less well educated people... Like everywhere...
indeed...
i never meant to imply that VRF is all-bad....just that the ratio of A-holes to good guys is high. Yep..... thanks for you kind offer on the Tudor Black Bay..... i will chew on it.......very kind by the way....
Baron, I predict that there are a lot less true Rolex experts....
Then there are a Rolex 6200................and that is not many! I am not qualified enough to make comment on its rarity, condition, movement etc. But I would like to add my full heart congratulations on tracking down and acquiring such a rare grail Rolex...
Why are you coming over during the night!!!
I hear that Baron keeps a supply of garlic and crosses by his bed just in case of an emergency LOL
uhmmm..
..... my travel schedule is not going to make Paris easy....may be impossible before end of Summer. Will be impossible....
I saw the post and yes, I'm worried.
I think better you return the watch to the seller but give me his number before you do. I'll "arrange" for him take it off you. Then the issues is solved. A skinny lume is really to be concern about, I tell you. Never mind the rest of the watch is in grea...
Very nice, Baron....
I love the simplisity of the explorer dial in the submariner format - a very nice, clean face. You've found yourself a stunning vintage sub there!! (very envious!!!) cheers Tony
I feel a need for food, drink and dancing girls coming on...
Congratulations Baron, and hope to see your new find in the flesh soon...
Who need a house or a car...?
... If you can be around such beauties.. What a Wunderful story and what a beauty of a 6200... Best Hans This message has been edited by hans_jorgen_1968 on 2012-05-23 14:29:26
huge congratulations Baron.
if you have a spare kidney i'll take it i dont know much about these old Rolex thingies, but i can appreciate a superb vintage watch when i see one and this fits the bill nicely. this was a lucky find and you have a great friend to let you take it over hi...
Again...gentlemen all...
many thanks for the comments. Now I have to decide whether I want to keep it on bracelet (which is old but not original) or a vintage leather. Again....much appreciated
Come now Nicolas....
......you have an altogether different problem.....this is how your problem works: Wake up: Oh god, what make of watch should i wear to day? Longines, Tudor, AP, Patek, Rolex, Omega, VC...... Then: Uhm, which style do i need..... Then..... which era shoul...
Naaah, I always decide the day before what I will wear the day after. :)
... On which strap, that is another probelm. ))) Best, my friend. Nicolas This message has been edited by amanico on 2012-05-23 23:51:29
a nice shell cordovan Nato...
a nice shell cordovan Nato or something ive recently discovered kangaroo suede Nato. ive yet to buy one, but the natural colour would match a pale lume and then they do tan, blood red, dark brown and black. ill be trying one as the cordovan is tried an...
Wow Baron!!!
I think this is the ulrimate grail in terms of Big Crowns and Subs!!! I wish I have the chance to see it in real soon!!!...I've never seen a BC with explorer dial in the flesh! Congrats and thanks for sharing Matt
There's certainly nothing better than this Baron...
The 6200 is the root of all Rolex Submariner... You are extremely lucky to be able to find one in this condition I'm very happy for you my friend... Hope to see more shot of this beauty!! Best, Sam
Well done Baron
6200 is the chief of the BC family, only 5510 is close to it for rarity, but no 369 dial except for rare (military ?) pieces. I own this one, so yours has a twin brother now....
Maaa che oooh; Peppo. :)))
I am waiting for a few other pcitures before putting my topic on the BCs on line, but you and Baron are the champions, without doubt. 2 very nice Bcs, my friends. Best, Nicolas