That's my verdict on the 5236P and the 6119G and R. Yes they have beautiful movements but the perpetual calendar should be no more than 39mm rather than 41.3mm. As for the 6119, it is refreshing to see a movement other than a 215 or 240 or 324 being used in this range. Again being a dress watch, I would have preferred to see a watch no larger than 37mm (like the 5196). Afterall, the iconic 5119 was 36mm. It is quite nice to see the hobnail bezel returning because I missed it when the 5119 was discontinued. The dial of the 6119 is ok and I say that only because I am partial to Breguet hands and numerals. Yes, I know, in that case just buy a Breguet but I want the 6119 with Breguet hands and numerals.