FabR
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Nice first review Keks, with lots of interesting thoughts I agree with. My very quick reaction: they've been innovative and also fairly bold this year, which is always a good combination.
In my hopes/predictions, I wanted a steel Calatrava (but was sure it would have never come!), this is one of the main surprises in my opinion, and might really revive the line, if produced in moderate quantity. The weekly complication also makes it more special. The pilot is more controversial, but at that price point we are speaking of a particular product anyway. I already expressed my conditional love for the 5231 and a similar mild disappointment for the 5131 theme, but I want to leave my final reaction for when I see the 5231 in the metal, as these rare handcrafts can be magnetic beyond reason in person. That Nautilus is the safest thing they could have done, but undoubtedly beautiful, and I also like the new Aquanaut, though I'm not sure the recipients of the green 5167 LE will be as enthusiastic ;-)
Cheers.
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Patek New model 2019 - Introduction and review Patek 5726/1A - Baselworld - well done... some initial personal thoughts...
I just reviewed the new releases for this year from Patek and must admit they did not disappoint this year. So many interesting and wonderful releases.... here are some of my favorites even though I like them all... 5520P / out of my budget range but supe...
Very interesting thoughts, my friend.
I have the same questions on the 5520P. The 5078, well, the dial is not my taste, but to each his own! Agreed on the 5231. I have to see the new Chrono 5172... I like the case and pushers, I don't know if I like the dial. Now, the 5212A... THIS one, if it...
I can not disagree here
in this sense I think I like the 6006G more, date only yes but cleaner...
Yes that is a very pretty piece
As is all 5196 versions I think.... The P is superb... funny I let go of mine some years ago. Felt I was too young then... would wear it today... if I had it
they are quite interesting I agree
a breath of fresh air in the collection. New steel Calatrava, new style grand complication, and a new take on a manual chronograph...
Old wine, new bottle. Another disappointing year from them.
I really appreciate some high end models from Patek but they don't match their reputation lately. Where is the innovation? Still no movement scaling. Quite a bit like Rolex... change colors, that's it.
I think I disagree to some extent...
the 5520P is innovative for them, some new movements in the collection as well. Far more advanced overall than Rolex in my mind. We have to be somewhat realistic and not expect a new type of wheel to be innovated every other year may I ask what you would ...
I think they should address movement scaling. For me at least it's mostly the negative aspect of their watches.
Otherwise I think they're doing a decent job considering their output but I have the feeling that they tend to go more commericial... fancy colors, bigger sizes, more pale designs. I don't think any does it that much better as they all have their own flaw...
yes perhaps a bit commercial...
but considering how much bigger the world is today with more people being the target audience than ever. Pleasing has never been harder. Some decades ago the typical buyer had western tastes or aspired to western aesthetics. Today we are moving in a direc...
Great point: PP today has a more global audience and not just in terms of geography but also socioeconomic status. TS needs to manage for this and NOT for the buyers of the past.
That's not to say ignore those who prefer a more traditional aesthetic, just that there's a broad audience to consider and tastes vary.
Thanks J for adding input
a new challenge without a doubt, requires a multidimensional global lens to stay in focus...
Nice first review Keks, with lots of interesting thoughts I agree with. My very quick reaction: they've been innovative and also fairly bold this year, which is always a good combination.
In my hopes/predictions, I wanted a steel Calatrava (but was sure it would have never come!), this is one of the main surprises in my opinion, and might really revive the line, if produced in moderate quantity. The weekly complication also makes it more s...
yes moderate quantity is key for the steel calatravas... we shall see...
I know your thoughts on colored metals, I feel similarly yet own a 5131J. It is not a watch I wear often, but the few times I take if out it becomes even more special as it is a colored gold piece. Sometimes it is nice to go a little different. Knowing yo...
I owned one of the first 5711
sold it--with sincerity, friends--because it felt so cheap! Hand on my heart. As usual, PP enjoys some arguably undeserved popularity with various models, because of their name and history and (oft really unfairly undeserved) resale value-- But hey. I lik...
yes it is not necessarily their best piece...
yet it is a very elegant watch in my opinion. Among us enthusiasts we can easily find flaws in nearly every watch if we analyze it to death, however in the end it all comes down to how the owner feels wearing it. It is just an accessory at the end of the ...
Keks, well summarized. My thoughts in brief...generally I agree!
The most interesting of the lot (meaning pique my interest and I therefore intend to learn more) are the 5520P and 5212A. As a Nautilus fanatic, of course the 5726/1A in blue is interesting, but feels a bit long-time coming. On the topic though, do you ha...
Thanks for your thoughts
indeed the 5520 and 5212 are new takes all together and also of great interest to me in knowing more. I have no insights into the blue of the 5726, just every picture I see looks like it has a softer more subtle gray hue to me than the 5711 or 5740 etc. I...
Thanks Bill
for the kind words.... Nothing here that would supersede a great gilt sub and a 5980 at sea however! The 2 watches I know we have in common...
Not much new
I just do not see something to scream about. The Calatrava line is naked. A new 5296 would have been great and an upgrade to the 215PS? Am I all wet? I do not know. The 5170 needed more than a 5320 facial.
can't please all the people all the time...
I do however think the 5212 is marking a new era for the Calatrava line and we will likely see a fuller lineup in the not distant future... perhaps next year or perhaps even a Calatrava special release later this year
I would have liked the 5520P and the 5212A to be 2mm smaller.
There is definitely room to make these watches smaller if one looks at the movement size in relation to case size. Also the 5520P in my opinion has been over priced. Would you say that the blue dial on 5726 is closer in colour to the 5711 or the 5740? Nic...
you and me both
especially on the 5520P and the 5905R and the 5168G and 5172G..... pricing on the 5520P is serious but perhaps not a watch to be sold to everyone, personally I find there are too many alternatives to purchase if I had that budget to splurge.... but as I t...
In the past
Patek has succeeded in keeping its watches to the more traditional size but this latest collection clearly shows a change of direction. Interestingly, Lange seem to be going the other way!
Agree but also a bit disappointed
So happy PP finally doing something new like an alarm and was really excited pre-launch. Then it was a pilot and then not even a perpetual and my heart sunk. As an early acquirer of the 5524 my loyalties to the model are solid but so much money for an ala...
5524 is a very cool piece...
and adding a complication to this like an alarm makes some sense. Price point can be discussed, but I look at it this way. The world is expanding and types of buyer is broader than ever. If you have a buyer with deep pockets who is tired of seeing the tra...
Is the 5212A an annual calendar?
I like this unique dial, may be I have one on the wishlist...
it is from what I understand
one piece I am very much looking forward to handle in the real. The case looks superb!
so it requires resetting every feb?
but still not considered annual calendar? more advanced than ac?
Indeed
In some countries in Europe week is an important thing to know... in Sweden everything centers around week. “Vacation week 9” etc...
Oh
Assume that one is more pricey... does not even look like seat is heated... I like the Japanese ones with remote controls better to be honest...
That would be a minus for me...
Unfortunately... look forward to seeing iterations in complications for this new line of calatrava however
Have to see it and feel it to fully appreciate perhaps
Jlc been making some triple calendars in the past as I recall...
5172, 5212 and 5726
I purposely make a point NOT to think too much about the ones I can't afford. So those 3 are the one that kept me awake last night. After a bad night, being a proud owner of the 5712, I'm still debating about the 5726... "NEED" to see this one in the fles...
Good strategy
I am more of a dreamer so struggle to stay that disciplined... those are some great items you have narrowed in on, Hope something t great will come out of it!
First thoughts
Top 2 choices for me - no limit budget - are deffinetely the 5520P and the 5235R. Top 2 choices - with a limited budget - are the 5726/1A Blue and again the 5235R. So, logically, my first choice would be the 5235R. I just wish for a bit thicker hands, but...
Indeed indeed
5235R looks amazing... my dream version would have a jumping hour with a power reserve where the hour dial is on this one... and no annual calendar. Would be something I would really like... but it looks too elegant the way it is. Agree on the 5520, too c...
The 5726 is definitely eye catching, can't wait to see in the flesh.
Wristfully wishing on the blue is as passionate as the 5070p. Excellent review of all the pieces, very insightful.
Thanks for those kind words
Merely my personal thoughts intended to create dialogue... very interested in what community take is on these... Yes the blue does look intriguing on this 5726, could be the pictures but it does look like a more somber blue than previous Nautiluses...
5212A
Thank you for your review and interesting points. In my opinion, 5212A is the reference of this year. When Patek launches a new complication it needs to be listened to. I look forward to see this watch in the metal, but on first impression I am on the fen...
thanks for your thoughts
I agree the 5212 is the reference this year along with the 5520... new complications for both releases. I also look forward to seeing this in the metal, initial take is perhaps I find the case too classical for the more modern casual appeal of the dial bu...
