amanico
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Interesting topic, Jerome. A bit provocative, though.
As it will provide some provocative answers...
Do I love Patek as a brand?
No. I feel very far from the common Patek customer, who sometimes keeps his watch " double sealed " rather than living with it ( his wife must not be the happiest wife, by the way, if he does the same with her )
I never understood why some of their watches are- how did they say, yet? under application?- which I feel very strange. Should we have a big wallet, and a virgin judiciary file to be authorized to pay a big amount of very sough after Swiss Francs to get one???
I don't care about rarity, either... What I do care about is the beauty of the watch, and PP, as several other brands, makes some very nice watches, such as the World Time, which is, for me, the best World Time ever made, all brands included.
So, yes, the only reason which makes me fall for a few Pateks is their beauty, their magic appeal. The other factors, such as rarity, others opinion, their so called keeping value are too far from my preoccupations or my reasons at the moment of the definitive choice.
Best, my friend.
Nicolas.
PS: You're not alone.
This message has been edited by amanico on 2011-08-27 10:34:26
Why we do love Patek Philippe watches, chapter one, rarity!
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Rarity
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Love it Horo,,,,
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I apologize for replying so late, I wanted to take part on this interesting thread. Indeed, I hope as soon as possible to give my contribution also to the other four themes suggested by our moderator, Jéròme, to whom we must address a big thank ...