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For me, 5130
Although I am not usually drawn to a bigger size, this one is an exception to the rule.
On the practical side, the bigger dial allows more space between the countries. From the bottom of "Moscow to the bottom of Dubai", the "leading" is a little more spacious, giving it slightly more breathing room. To me, it makes it less busy and more legible.
Gotta love the scissor hour hand. Makes it easy to distinguish and easier to read, especially in a lower light situation.
Love both dials as it displays Craftsmanship as well as beauty, but the lighter dial really opens up the entire piece, whereas the 5110's blue dial seems to "close up" the piece. Perhaps it is because the 5130's rays appear to be emanating "outwardly" and blue, guilloché looks more like concentric pattern?
As my eyes are starting to fail me, that's my 2¢ worth.
Aloha,
Bob
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Thanks for the great pics, Nicolas!
5110 or 5130, what's your favourite ?
I managed to take some decent macros of these 2 modern PP World Time, which are, IMO, the nicest World Time of the actual production. The question is what is the most desirable between these 2 references... Well, it's not about the movement, as the Calibe...
5110 without hesitation, because ...
of the Guillochage. The Sunburst Dial doesn´t do it for me. Only the feeling of the pusher kept me away (so far) to get one. It was my first impression when I handled it and still can´t forget it. Always have to try it, when I get one in my hands ... :-( ...
I know what you mean about the pusher, Oliver
But this is such a wonderful watch... Can't live with? Really? Best, Nicolas
5130 for me
to start, the extra 2 mm is very important to me ! Concerning the dial, I'm not a big fan of guilloché dials and I love the hour hand of the 5130
5110 for the more beautiful dial, IMHO
...plus, I like to travel "light"... I assume the 5110 weighs in at a bit less than the 5130 :^)
It depends, Polarbear
If you compare a 5110P to a 5130G or R, the platinum makes the 5110 a bit heavier... But when you love, you don't count... the weight! Best, Nicolas
Great, Arnon
Even if in this platinum configuration, I prefer the 5110P, I can say that you're a lucky guy... Very nice WT, indeed. Best, Nicolas
+1, A little bigger and that so strange & attractive hour hand
Both are beautiful watches. I will not consider the 5110 because it is too small on my wrist but a beautiful watch it is. Otherwise I too am fan of the 5130 because of that hand.. Since my early days around watches I often looked at those Vintage World ti...
I still have in mind our first conversations, POY
Some 5 years ago, now... The first time we met, I had this 5110P on the wrist... I remember perfetcly that you were " damnig " your wrist to not be less small... Best, my friend. Nicolas
Was pretty sure that you would say that, Bruno
But why? Really, the 2 extra millimeters make the difference, as the 5130 is easier to wear on a big wrist like yours. But the 5110 is such a jewel, compared to the 5130... Tough choice, indeed! Best, Nicolas
Why, KGB?
For its bigger size? Its Hour Hand? The Finish of the dial? All these reasons? Best, Nicolas
5110
Great post. Patek makes the best true worldtimer, tradition and innovation. I like 5130, but love 5110!
Hi, Chris
Can't agree more about what you said on the best WT. As POY said, if I fell in love with PP watches, it is because of the World Time, of its original and elegant design and complication. I feel like a child each time I admire its dial. Now, like you said ...
Honestly, I really like the Jaeger-LeCoultre Reverso Grande Date GMT
It's not a world timer per say, since it can only show two different timezones at once, but it does have a GMT differential. A bit of a pain to set actually. You really have to read the owner's manual on that one. But if you know what country you are goin...
Depends on the metal...
I love all the Patek Worldtimers, especially because they have the 240 caliber movement which exhibits a very high degree of finishing. However, in different metals, I prefer different world timers... Yellow gold; I've only seen it in the 5110 and not 513...
Quite a good analysis, metal versus metal, Patrick!
Agree on the YG 5110. As for the WG, don't know what would be my favourite, as the color of the center of the dial is quite the same than the one on the outer dial, so, even if the dimensions have changed on the 5130, it is not easily noticeable... As for...
Thank you Nicolas
Thank you Nicolas for sharing the pictures of those beautiful watches. Assuming those Patek World Time watches belong to members of your household, I must assume you and your family members travel extensively or have friends all over the world. I wanted t...
Tough decision really... as for me..
Finally decided on the 5130g. Personally I feel that the cities are a bit cramp for 5110 and also the hands are a bit short thus affecting its legibility. I like the 5130 scissor hands as it resembles the vintage worldtimer and overall more readible. The ...
Aesthetics against practicality
That's perfectly sums the problem, cmclee! I love that formula. I guess that the thing is to get one, whatever it is a 5110 or 5130, as PP WT are true references in regard of World Timer Watches. Best, Nicolas
Aaaah, Jerome
If only these bloody engravings Patek Philippe Geneve at 12 and 6 didn't exist, as well as the curious font used for the cities of the world... It would have been THE PP WT for me too! A Pity because the Combo of the white gold case and the Blue enamel di...
mmh
Hi Nicolas, funny nobody seems to like the font and the engraving.I don't mind at all,on the contrary,very nice font and the engravings,well why not. esp.the white gold one for me after the celestial the most beautiful patek,a shame almost no one will get...
Engraving Not a Problem
I can't tell from your post if you have a 5131G? I'm guessing not. The engraving at 6 and 12 o'clock is simply NOT a problem. It's very well done and not as the website pictures would suggest. It's very discrete and you have to actually hold the watch at ...
5130
i prefer it due to its size and most of all the hands. while we're on the subject, does anybody else find that the 5110 makes a "clunky" noise when the button is pressed and consequently makes the feel a bit "cheap"?...or have i just been unlucky whenever...
Same feeling with the 5130, Constantine
This is not what I'd call the same feeling as a Lange Dato pusher sensation. It is quite the same, also, on the JLC Master World Geographique. Seems that it is due to the Commplication. Best, Nicolas
Fantastic pictures
I have to say, these two watches do have different personalities, and you do a great job defining them. In many ways, the ideal watch is a mixture between the two. But, since no such watch exists one must trade-off. I prefer the dial on the 5110, but agre...
Buy hands from a 5130 for replacement!
It is quite easy: If you like the scissors hands of the 5130 buy a pair and have the hands on the 5110 replaced - keep them for spares or for later resale - if you were able to part I personally decided for 5110P and do not regret at all! The 2 mm less ...
I seriously doubt that PP would accept
To put 5130 Hour hand on a 5110, Erich... Would be interesting to try to have an official answer... Best, Nicolas
I would try...
Hi Nicolas, I would try to buy a pair of 5130 hands through a local AD and have them replaced locally. They should fit perfectly as they are for the same movement and I think even the proportions will fit nicely. I too doubt if the hands were replaced whe...
Wisely put, Joe, and nicely, too.
Well, I was thinking a bit the same... The perfect WT would have the dial and the dimensions of the 5110, with the cissoirs hour hand of the 5130... To me, at least. Best, Nicolas
Easy for me, 5110P
...among the choices of all 5110, 5130 and 5131 incarnations, simply because overall it looks the best to my eyes. The size of 5110 is also right to me. Althouth I don't quite like the hands of 5110 as much as those of 5130/5131, they don't look bad and t...
Sublte alchimy, indeed, schen
That's the interest of such a topic... Seeing everybody posting thier thoughts and feelings is great. I'm a big fan of the 5110P, so I may be biased in my toughts.. Best, Nicolas
first at all my sincere compliments for the quality of the post..
wonderful pics, very interesting argument and perfect made . Well my answer is...........5130 ! my wife gift .......no doubt my preferred reference. Again thank you for your time to realize such a professional post. ! Walter
Thanks a lot, Walter, for your nice words
Even if I'm not very happy with my pics. But this is a post I wanted to do for a long time, now. The nicest watches are indeed in the category you quoted...Watches gifted by a beloved relative. Thanks for your input, Walter. Best, Nicolas This message has...
Best Dials
Nicolas, Great job and pictures. IMO the best dials are 5110P and 5130 R..... These are beautifull pieces! Keep in mind that sooner or later Patek will have to remove the city of Caracas, venezuela as they changed their time. A Lange alredy did it in thei...
You're absolutely right, Jaime
So these " Early " PP WT will become Museum Pieces, or at least, the witnesses or a certain period... Best, Nicolas This message has been edited by amanico on 2009-04-23 10:40:23
For me, 5130
Although I am not usually drawn to a bigger size, this one is an exception to the rule. On the practical side, the bigger dial allows more space between the countries. From the bottom of "Moscow to the bottom of Dubai", the "leading" is a little more spac...
Didn't see things this way, Bob
You're right about the sunburst finish of the 5130 dial... It is opening the dial a bit more, making it a bit bigger than it already is. After, this is a matter of taste..Sunburst or guilloché... To each his own. The good thing is that you can't go w...
SPOT ON
Thanks for describing it. The "sunburst" dial and the less cluttered dial make the watch feel "lighter". In WG/PT it has a nice, April-spring-breeze taste to it, think of how the air smells in Airolo once you have made the journey over the Gotthard pass. ...
Cant disagree
The sunburst could also be on a modern mid-market watch (think: Mont Blanc etc). But I am growing fonder and fonder of the 5130, contrary to my initial stance.
The other " issue " on the 5130 is that the dial size is te same than the 5110.
But the case is 2, 5 mm bigger! That is the most important " issue " for me. But it is just me. If you feel happy with the 5130, that is the most important. Best, Nicolas
I know
This is what I need to find out. Sometimes, very small differences in proportions and size can make or break "it". The Jaguar x308 and x350 models are a good example. The latter are good cars, but although they seem to look just like a modernized x308, th...
There is only one way to judge them: Seeing both of them in the real life.
You will let your heart speak, and it will be easier to make a decision. Best, Nicolas
5110 for me
5110 for several reasons, here I will list a few: - I like the 39mm size on 5130, but dislike that the center dial remained the same and only the outer ring with cities changed - 5110 - quilloche dial rocks ...the sunburst is not even lose to me in its lo...
Superb pics, Watchfan
The 4 or 5 last pics are just specatular. I feel exactly the same about my 5110, but the only difference is that I madly fell in love with, and that it's even a deeper love with Time. Each Time I wear this watch, I feel the same. Admiration, Passion, and ...
Nice fountain pen! I use my Montblanc LeGrand 146 every single day...
And of course, nice 5110J, it matches perfectly with the Montblanc pen on the matte black strap.
Obviously, YES
You wear it on your right wrist? First time I see that. The 5110P is a pure jewel, indeed! Best, Nicolas
5130 for me for 2 reasons.
- the hour hands : it's beautiful. - the size : the 39,5mm are perfect on my wrist. Fr.Xavier
A declaration of love, FX?
Would be very perfect in your actual collection! Best, Nicolas
...5110R...simply because...
...i own it already... however, i have bad eyes (prescription eyewear...a must for me...) when i am out of town and i wake up in the morning or in the middle of the night trying to look at the time...or when i'm half a sleep and half awake trying to look ...
The Rose Gold 5110 has something very charming, ppcollector
The RG gives it a delicious retro look. Superb! Best, Nicolas
Same goes for the 5130
It reminds me of the golden era of valve tube radios, think Grundig, Telefunken et al. And surprisingly it does not have this ridiculous "retro" affection like the recently unveiled new Rolex Cellini. It is a tasteful yet slightly eccentric reference to P...
This thread has certainly....................
Generated quite a reaction! Its been interesting to read everybodies views on the differences of the two models. But I am afraid that I shall have to remain on the fence, as I am undecided as to whiche one I would choice.
Owned a 5110P purchased BNIB back in 2001 ...
the first Platinum WT my AD received -- Traded the 5110P after the reference was discontinued several years later for a BNIB 5130P plus $ xxx with the same AD I originally purchased from. With all these 5110 vs. 5130 posts, I wonder now did I trade up or ...
Topcat,
I think that each of these models has its pros and cons, the perfect WT being a blend of the 2, perhaps? What I strongly believe is that each fan of the 5110 or of the 5130 has his good reasons to support his champion. It's, at the end, a question of wris...
yes, I'm nominating Nicolas for the new Patek Philippe's forum moderator! nt
nt This message has been edited by Dje on 2009-04-24 13:33:43
If you wish to activate back this very old (but interesting) thread, maybe should you
update the links (pictures) please? Or make a new one. The theme certainly deserves it. Cheers, Mark
wow...how did I miss this post??? well Nico...you know MY answer...
I love the 'sicssors hand' of the 5130 (never heard it referred to as that)...although I admit I prefer the guilloche dial of the 5110...the tie breaker is the extra 2mm... the winner is...:...
Tough decision, eeeh, Eric?
I have to admit that this scissor Hour Hand is to die for. Then, the problem is really the interface between the wrist and the watch, and sometimes, indeed, 2mm more is better... Happy to see you still in Honeymoon woith this WT! Best, Nicolas
5110P hands down...
I prefer the dial, and the over all vintage look of this piece. arolex Arthur.
Thanks, Arthur
It's strange. When I saw that PP was on to release a new WT, I jumped on it. I saw it before, and I fell in love with the scissor hour hand. The dial of the 5130 was less impressive than on the 5110, but the bigger size, and this hour hand convinced me to...
5130
For one reason only: The scissor hands. Its a reference to the first models of the worldtime from Patek. Both are great- and I think that the worldtime is a Icon from Patek and perhaps the complication which is among the most useful- especially if you tra...
More sophisticated than a Rolex GMT, certainly, but more useful, I am not sure.
As, with the Rolex, you can cover all the timezones, in one gesture. Not that easy with the Patek, when it comes to summertime, which is not adopted by all the countries ( russia, for example, I think ). Best, Nicolas
Banning would be too much
but Ed, I can make you a very special favor: I'm in Lapland now and if I will be awake, I can take you a picture of the midnight sun. Together with my 5140P. Best, Kari
I prefer 5130 due to the hands and agree with Nico & others about the best of breed ...
... is to have the 5130 scissors hands on the 5110 guilloche dial perhaps all the purists that like with this "hybrid" idea can suggest to Patek about raising the bar for the next WT reference ??
There are three rounds and only 3-0 is
counted as a major win. Three rounds three watches...? Best, Kari
Not sure, Kari, not sure.
The major problem of the 5130 or 31 is that the case got 2, 5 mm extra millimeters, but the size of the dial remains the same... Which creates a less harmonious view on the overall watch, I think. But this enamel dial is really something! Best, Nicolas.
5110 remains the best.
Among all the current options, 5110 remains the most harmonious and beautiful one for me. My strong preference is, however, the platin version with silvery blue central dial.
I can't disagree.
One of the five moderns which will defintely stay in my collection... Best, Nicolas ...
You perfectly know my answer ;-)
5110 P, of course, my friend ! Because of the dial, because of the case proportions, because all this makes its unique charm and elegance, because.... Best to you, Didier.
It's a tie for me
Although I tend to see the 5130p as the ultimate world timer due to a. size, b. scissor hands and c. dial\'s ability to bring light and various shades of blue, if given the chance to purchase one of them, I would spend a considerable amount of time before...
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