Doha, Qatar 5170J

Jan 26, 2020,20:58 PM
 






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Wrist 1/2 covered

Having only researched online, the 5170 variant I thought I would find least desirable was the yellow gold (J) with Roman numerals and Pulsation dial.  I rarely have the opportunity to visit a Patek AD, and never physically held a 5170 in my hands.  I'd seen endless youtube comparison videos of 5170s and picture articles. Chrono24 and grey market sites consistently show that the 5170J Pulsation dial fetched the least resale value.  Highest resale value was the platinum, then the R black dial Breguet, then G black dial Breguet, then R white dial Breguet, then G white dial Breguet and so on.  I've seen many wrist shots of all the 5170 varieties and had decided that my choice to wear with a suit or smarter attire would be the 5170R or 5170G (white) with clean, open dial and applied breguet numerals. I imagined that traditional Calatrava inspired dial would be most elegant and understated. In my mind, the J Pulsation was not even worth looking at.

Yesterday morning, I took a special diversion to the Patek AD in Lagoona Mall Doha.  I did not know what they would have in stock.  I asked if they had a 5170 available.  He went into the back room and a moment later the salesman reappeared with a velvet covered tray and started unwrapping the protective plastic which surrounded the case.  As he unwrapped it I could see it was yellow gold.  Then he laid a 5170J gently in front of me.  I held a 5170 for the first time.  It was the only 5170 in stock and it was the 5170J Pulsation dial. I was stunned with its beauty, elegance, and classic presence. I didn't think, "Hmm, not as bad as I thought."  Truth is, the presence of that 5170J Pulsation dial watch made me forget that other variants of the 5170 existed.  That watch was sophisticated and commanding.  I asked for and was presented with a loupe to go over the dial, case and movement.  Having recently held and loupe-inspected an early model Lange 1815 Chrono and Lange Dato - I was no less impressed with the close up finishing of the 5170J. 

It's funny how picky I become when I'm online when nothing is at stake.  It's a testament to Patek Philippe design and execution that even the 5170 variant I thought I would least prefer left me stunned in appreciation.


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No doubt

 
 By: Jurry : January 26th, 2020-23:53
There is no doubt that this watch, including its variations, is an incredible beautiful superb watch. But, there is always a but, it is no longer without competition. There are others like ALS that have come up with similar watches at same high level. So ... 

The 5170J looks wonderful on you. Here’s mine...

 
 By: @Patek_Ambassador : January 27th, 2020-00:48
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Wonderful fotos. - many thanks for sharing

 
 By: Robert65 : January 27th, 2020-08:37
Beautiful and very smart on you

I had the same experience!

 
 By: blau : January 27th, 2020-04:12
Had always thought this version the least desirable, until only *very* recently handling one, and, just like you, realizing A. It is a brilliant watch B. My online-photo-based preferences are bunk.

I enjoyed comment B😀

 
 By: Robert65 : January 27th, 2020-08:46
Yes, I certainly get full of myself watching Patek vs Lange vs fill-in-the-high end watch house. As if I could just walk in and buy one like I am comparing televisions at big box stores. The 5170 references are all beautiful and represent an outrageously ... 

I am (as with most things) ambivalent.

 
 By: blau : January 27th, 2020-15:50
Last year, I found myself willing and able to acquire a pretty decadent watch, a 5960a. Decadent in that it was a *lot* more money than I'd ever spent on a watch before *and* decadent in that it's no under-the-radar-shrinking-violet-only-connoisseurs-will... 

Why did you sell it? [nt]

 
 By: @Patek_Ambassador : January 27th, 2020-16:00

Ah, my good Blau...

 
 By: Chromatic Fugue : January 28th, 2020-04:21
“It is a self-deception of philosophers and moralists to imagine that they escape decadence by opposing it. That is beyond their will; and, however little they acknowledge it, one later discovers that they were among the most powerful promoters of decaden... 

What is that, Nietzsche?

 
 By: blau : January 28th, 2020-09:32
Whoever it is, they've got a point. So how do I promote decadence by opposing it? Here's one thought: my opposition of it, my fearful and constant looking out for it in all my ways, in fact elevates it. By treating it as that which must be always recogniz... 

yes, Der Wille Zur Macht

 
 By: Chromatic Fugue : January 28th, 2020-09:57
Your reading of the great man's words is as good as any. On the other hand, just because Nietzsche said it doesn't make it true. Particularly if the quote in question appeared in fragmentary manuscripts written just before the onset of his full-blown deme... 

thanks for sharing Blau

 
 By: Robert65 : January 27th, 2020-23:54
I enjoy learning of experiences like that. Very value added.

The price was $76k USD which I suppose is fair, if not somewhat pricey.

 
 By: Robert65 : January 27th, 2020-05:49
But, no, I'm not in a position to pull the trigger. I'm still in a honeymoon phase with my 5712/1A which I rarely get to wear. As for this recent visit in Doha... I'm here for a while for work and when I'm in a city that has a Patek AD, I like visiting an... 

Yes, so true.

 
 By: Robert65 : January 27th, 2020-23:52
On Chrono24 for example - $76k USD (or less) could get my prefered 5170 Rose gold with white dial or with black dial.... or the White Gold with white dial or with black dial.

If it were available with the same dial...

 
 By: mdg : January 27th, 2020-13:07
and hands of the 'R' version I would buy a 'J' version in a second...but it's not. I think yellow gold really adds to the classic nature of this watch. I tried one on this past summer in Manhattan and it fit my 7.25" wrist perfectly. It is a very elegant ...