Baron - Mr Red
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But even then, Sham...its just a matter of taste
I guess I am saying that when it comes to "taste" there can be no "better". Just different.
The post was deliberately provocative....but in the end I think its a futile objective. You love teh 5170P. I love the 5070P. What have we actually learnt from that? Is it that the 5170P is better? Or is the 5070P better? All we have learnt is that we have different taste.
Ultimately, of course, the laws of supply and demand have a way of evaluating a "winner", but in this instance, I am not sure Mr. Market has any bearing at all on what is the "better" watch.
PS...the title didn't ask for "better"....just a comparison, no?
5170P vs 5070P
Now that the 5170P has been announced, for me it's a true contender or even better then the 5070P. The 5070 has as everyone knows a beautiful case, dial, applied numerals, nice font of numbering,... The 5170 on the other hand is for me (and most purists) ...
Without any doubt!
I would prefer the 5170P. I like the fact that bezel is smaller compared to the 5070P, I like the fact that the watch is more wearable, I even like the diamond markers which contrast beautifully against the dial. A sure winner in my books! Sorry gentlemen...
Balance the score!
As an owner of a 5170G (white dial), I chose the watch over the 5070 for it's better proportions and dial. As such I eagerly awaited the reveal of the 5170P and it hasn't disappointed, it is stunning! and winner for me over the 5070P in many ways.
5070p
For me too but I will need to see the 5170p in the flesh before I can be 100% sure. I do like the 5170 very much size wise but will always prefer the Lemania based movement 5070. The 5170p is all a bit dark for me. M
5070P wins....but....
.....i do agree that this is the best 5170 yet. In fact, it is a superb 5170 and I was very tempted. But..... Case of the 5070 is just more pleasing for me. Dial on the 5170 is on the darker side for my taste whereas the dial on the 5070P just hasn't been...
Its beautiful , -IF-...
IF, only they put the correct subseconds at 1/4s instead of 1/5s to match the 4Hz movement it'd be perfect! Regards, skyeriding
I'm not good at this math
Can you please explain me what are the equivalence and maybe the formulas to know how many marks should be put for 4Hz, 2.5 Hz etc ? I would write it down :p Thanks you! Best, Mark
This will be a little messy, I hope you can follow my text...
A watch having xx Hz, multiply that by 2 to get "how many ticks per second it makes" i.e. the beats per second. So for instance, the 5070 has a 2.5Hz. That means, every second the watch makes five ticks (or, 18,000 per hour). Now, minus one to that - that...
That's perfectly clear, thanks a lot I'll keep it in my books!
I would even create a post to share it if you don't mind (or do not hesitate to do it one day if you wish). It is always nice to know and people are often happy to learn Best, Mark
I don't mind at all! I'd be gratified.
I feel that the best way to present this information clearly would be to have an infographic or some reference photos/gif/video in action. This is one issue that I learnt/noticed after Moritz here pointed it out - ever since, I could never not notice it w...
I knew I made a review not long ago of a watch that had the right scale but didn't know which one
Thanks for the update Russ. Best, Mark
Can anyone precisely stop the time
to eight ticks per second. My point being even though the cadence does not match the register, as is so often pointed out, can you actually tell it in use. I assume PP believes you can not.
With a 4Hz movement (8bps), you'd have typically three subsecond indices between each minute indice
This would account for all eight ticks. The seconds hand should stop precisely halfway in between each subsecond indice to account for the 8bps. In practice, it would still be notable when you stop the chronograph - when you look upclose. You can tell the...
5070P all the way. I don't like diamond indices, the eternal location of the 2 sub dials below the 3 / 9 line...
The hour and minute hands shape, too, and the fact that they strangely are luminous... Without forgetting that the level of decoration of the 5070 movement is higher than the 5170. So, no match for me, 5070P all the way! Best, Nicolas
Hmm I'm not sure for the level of decoration Nicolas
I had a look at them (separetely though) and couldn't really give an answer. The 2 or 3 inward angles in the Lemania OK. Even if many other well known high end calibers don't have them. Otherwise, the chamferring and polishing, cotes de Geneve look the sa...
I've always liked the 5170 very much, but I would say 5070.
5070 more sporty, 5170 more elegant, and I favour the more sporty look. The big let down for me is the case of the 5170, I would prefer it to be more interesting.
completely overhauled
it took pp 5-6 years to correct this and they make it right at last.....
5170P for me
It is an aesthetic preference after all. I respect the historical significance of the 5070 and original design, but on my wrist I would still rather wear the new 5170P...
As much as I was eagerly waiting
For the 5170P,The diamond indices turned me off my books the most diamonds that I can accept is the tiny one at 6 o\'clock. 5070P without thinking twice Best, Ahmed
An unnecessary way
Of pushing the price so high to shorten the waiting list and make more money(my speculation),They have seen enthusiasts ready to pay huge amounts of money for the 5070P why not push the 5170P to the same budget,Exactly what happened with the 5131P.Smart w...
My friend 100% right....
I think true collectors and purists aren\'t their target anymore. Just do the Math on the 40th anniversary Nautilus models. With Gems and Platinum???? Why??? How does this possibly pay homage to the Nautilus???? Easy answer. It doesn\'t but boy oh boy loo...
I agree totally
There was absolutely no reasons to put diamonds on the 5170P dial which collectors have typically shunned.
That's a question I ask myself too
There is certainly a reason I'll be curious to know why the brand has decided to do it. It has an impact as non-diamond people will most likely have to go toward other material (like the 2 different G versions) or back to the 5070 if one wants P. Did they...
i can hear you...
.... you read my mind. My main critic about it, is that there are too many variations and models. They are trying to please the widest range of people. While back then, they were just doing watches as they thought it was right, and whoever loves it good, ...
If you read my answer just above to Bob (watch-er)
you'll see that I have quite the same feeling about this diamond-markers trend-making. I don't know if it will work but I think that in the future we might well be thinking they did the right thing... again. Enjoy your 5976, I love the way the blue dial h...
Well, I'm not sure that diamond markers push the price up that much
Hard to tell but usually Pt versions for 50 to 100 K€ watches cost around 10 to 15 K€ more than a gold model, thus it looks (roughly) around the price imho (around 74K€ in France with VAT for a 5170G). Of course it is impossible to be sure but I would say...
I appreciate your words
A lot Mark,But the watches.........I don\'t Plus if the made an extra €5K per watch and sold 200 only which I believe they are going to sell more it\'s a million Euros out of nowhere. Best, Ahmed
You are right mark...
.... actually its compared to the 5170G the P version is very well priced
At least 2 who chose the 5170P - I was afarid I would be the only one
But seeing only 2people are having these feeling towards the 5170P will be a rather easy watch to find at your AD (lol)
I would definitly go for the 5170P as I am one of the probably very few members of this forum who really dislikes the 5070
The new 5170P is a great shot of PP imho. The dial with the Stone markers looks simply fantastic!
That's a difficult answer to give as I didn't see the 5170P in the metal yet
However, as of today, I must say that I love this 5170P, as you say, it also appeal to me much more than the previous versions. I lvoe the color and how it is done, I love the printings decoration, the scale, the hands... I love it. Now, about the diamond...
Great honest reply Mark.
But I truly do believe its more about maximising profits than following a direction of watch making to appeal to the younger newer watch collectors out there. Just my 2c\'s. Both are very very beautiful watches and we are all blessed to be able to even co...
Well, this is indeed a question.
We are in a luxury field and with very different actors: independents, groups with shareholders, groups or bands family owned etc... Thus, we know for sure that the rush to get better return is sometimes (often?) exceeding the inspiration, historical orie...
Mark. I love the passion our hobby creates
And I love that we can all have different opinions and all understand and appreciate our friends. This passion is what I\'ve always loved about this hobby. These brands are all in business for one reason and one reason only and we must never forget. Cheer...
5070P...the ultimate stealth classic Patek chrono
I like the proportions of the 5170P better, but all is lost with the addition of the diamonds markers, which I see as a cynical move to squeeze more revenue out of Patek's customer base. Cheers, John
5070P all the way. Even if I love the 5170P ...
... but the 5070P is an icon, maybe one of the nicest patek for some of us patek fans.... So you cannot just show up and think about competing with an icon that easily. Its not about how this or that is better made or looks better, etc... There are more c...
I never like diamond on a watch...
but this piece changes everything. The diamond on the dial feels 'correct'. This piece is beautiful and a big potential to be a classic. I love it
Current score 5170P vs 5070P: 8-7
Would never have taught it to be a so even, was thinking 10 to 1 for the 5070 Bruno: seems like you will be buying dinner!!!!
Gents:
I will travel to Basel tomorrow and wear my 5070P. Then on Saturday I will have a 90 minutes Private. I'll put my 5070P and the new 5170P side-by-side and if I feel 5170P is a fair contender, I will order it and report you my impressions on Monday. Best, ...
I am envious Kari!
I am only getting a 20 minute private showing of the new collection on Sunday Saying that, 90 minutes would be wasted on me
It just shows Kari!
How decisive you are So many lovely platinum pieces this year and you only need two minutes??!!
5170P vs 5070P
Well, I was in Basel this afternoon and "examined" the 5170P from the showcase window. It's a nice chronograph, I have to say, maybe the nicest among all 5170s, for my taste. Since the diamond indexes are thin and decently applied, you don't really see th...
A killer , Kari
Not fair for any watch to compete with such a character . Best, Ahmed
It's nice to own a couple of nice watches
because at one stage life becomes cheap. No sense to buy whatces which are not nicer than the old ones. Best, Kari
I'll have dinner with Alex and Bruno no matter
what the outcome is but i will be wearing this one .....honnestly i just like it for the 42mm size ...
5070 for me too.
The case design of the 5170 leaves a lot to be desired for me. It's flat, with 21mm lugs, and the dial sits far from the crystal. Along with the sub dials below the equator the watch lacks the coherence of a chrono. The new dial layout is a bit better but...
8-11
Patrick you are very much welcome to the lunch. Atelier Frites @ Antwerp with a visit to Tensen while picking up the 5170P (LOL)
Has to be seen first but some things are clear
The 5170 P is technically superior, smaller in size and hence more classic and a much darker, in terms of mood, watch than the 5070, wich I find very, very appealing! And it has got diamonds on the dial, wich I like also a lot. The 5070 P is a name in the...
as much as I do not like diamonds on a watch
I believe the diamond markers on the 5170P are subtle and actually suit the watch. Yes it means a higher price unfortunately, but it actually adds class to the watch rather than taking class over from it. For most of us, psychologically if we hear diamond...
My 2 cents
The 5170p imho trumps all other 5170s no doubt. Let me start by saying that I have never purchased a watch with diamonds on the dial or the bezel, however , the diamond indexes on the 5170p imo are understated as far as diamonds on a patek go and they add...
Design Beauty vs Engineering Perfection
5070 is more beautifully designed 5170 is better engineered yet have perfect design 5170 for me
I challenge anyone! :-)
who has physically seen and tried on the 5170P to say that it is not superior to the 5070P. I was at Basel yesterday and had the opportunity to do both and am now deliberating what I can sell to acquire this watch! It is not just a watch, it is a work or ...
Even when seeing the pictures, I knew the 5170P is superior!!!
Good thing for me: in september 2015 contacted my AD and mentioned to put me on list if 5170P ever came out. He immadiately replied that I was on 1st spot. Luckily I kept his mail and forwarder him back after announcement of the watch! is for me as you sa...
Vive la difference....
I beg to i do think there is nothing to be gained by arguing one is "better" than another. I don't really know what "better" means. In the same way that someone can argue that a Lexus is "better" than an Aston DB5, another argument can be made to the con...
Well, I think this post's title
was whether the 5170P was better than the 5070P and therefore it is aimed at being a contest. Better would be in the categories of movement finishing, size of movement in relation to case, size of case, beauty of dial, accuracy, balance of watch taking in...
But even then, Sham...its just a matter of taste
I guess I am saying that when it comes to "taste" there can be no "better". Just different. The post was deliberately provocative....but in the end I think its a futile objective. You love teh 5170P. I love the 5070P. What have we actually learnt from tha...
You are a man with excellent tastes Baron! :-)
and I can tell you like a product with soul! I shall be selling the Aston in early April and will decide whether or not to opt for the Patek 5170P (yes I like it that much) or the Grönefeld Remontoire which is a quite special and to me, tremendous value f...
Congratulations Alex!
I wonder when yours will arrive and I hope we will see it on this forum I am debating between two watches as usual but the 5170P is almost a no brainer.
It may not be a chronograph but still a technological marvel!
The Grönefeld Remontoire! ...
Not everyone can wear a 5070P...
Not everyone can wear a larger 42MM 5070P on their wrist. As the case is fairly large, too large for some audiences who prefer the more classic look of having a "normal" sized watch rather than an "oversized" watch on their wrists. But to answer your ques...
No contest... 5070 once a legend, always a legend
5070P is magical. Aside from all the "less important" items such as limited production, Phillips Stern era magic, Lemania caliber, history of the 5070, bold and unique case, etc, the Blue dial of the 5070P is superb as compared to a gradient dial with mas...