Aquanaut lume: C1 vs C3

Aug 11, 2020,13:42 PM
 

There has been speculation that Patek has changed the lume type on the Aquanaut over the years, and that the original dial had C3 type lume, while some time over the last few years they have changed to C1 type lume.

I recently got an opportunity to compare a new vs old watch side by side, so I was hoping to shed some light (pun intended) on this topic. In all pictures, the new 2020 watch is on the left, and the old 2011 watch on the right.

The new watch from 2020 has the C1 lume; the color is whiter (with a hint of blue) and it is crisper, but doesn’t hold charge as well.  The old watch from 2011 has C3 lume, with a greensh tint, it’s brighter and holds charge longer.


The picture below is taken immediately after charging the lume with a bright light.  Note the color difference:

The blue tint in the C1 lume disappears almost instantly after charging.


The picture below is taken less than 1 minute after charging:


12 minutes after charge:



25 minutes after charge:


Just over 1 hour after charge:


Just over 2 hours after charge.  The new C1 lume is almost gone, while the old C3 still holds up:


Another thing I noticed is that the new C1 lume appears to be unevenly applied on the numerals.  Take a look on the details below on the C1 dial, notice for example on the “10” marker that the number 1 is not as bright as the number 0.  4 and 6 is bright, but 5 is uneven.  I got one word for Patek here:  sloppy!!
 


In the end, do I prefer the C1 or the C3 dial?  It’s hard to tell from the pictures, but during the day, the new C1 lume somehow appears “crisper”; however it’s obvious that the C3 is much brighter in the dark.  So I prefer both: the C1 during the day, but C3 during night!  Which one do you like the best?



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First of all thank you for showing the differences

 
 By: PoyFR : August 11th, 2020-13:49
To me the longer it lumes the better. From your images I prefer the one on the right because it shows a better application of luminescent material, I repeat based on your images. Needless to say .... watches ;-)

Thank you. This is very interesting to know.

 
 By: geross : August 11th, 2020-14:00
I like a watch with a long lasting lume. Will read again your post. Later in the day. 😎 Cheers. 🍻 Geross.

Thanks for a very interesting technical comparison! I just checked and my own 5167 is from May 2009, so it would be interesting to see how that behaves (if it still behaves at all! ;-)

 
 By: FabR : August 11th, 2020-14:08
Will definitely try to add pictures as soon as I get a hold of it (it currently sits in an Italian bank, while I'm sitting here in the US ;-) Cheers.

👍 [nt]

 
 By: FabR : August 11th, 2020-15:59

Kudos for doing this research! Some thoughts:

 
 By: BigAppleBill : August 11th, 2020-14:25
1) Is this just a sampling of two watches or have you observed this same phenomenon consistently across a number of old and new Aquanauts? 2) The uneven glow among various numerals is not up to standards expected of Patek. Certainly there needs to be more... 

Thanks

 
 By: w220 : August 11th, 2020-15:47
This is just my two watches, but it appears that others are finding the same change on the new Aquanauts produced the last 1-2 years. And I agree with you, it doesn't really affect the enjoyment of the watches - neither is necessarily better/worse than th... 

Very informative post 👍, many thanks

 
 By: Mike H : August 11th, 2020-14:46
I like the Aquanaut a lot so your findings is quite interesting to me

Great post

 
 By: descartes1 : August 11th, 2020-17:39
I saw a video on YouTube which did a similar study. The Patek lume is surprisingly sloppy. I have to say, in contrast the lume on my modern Rolex GMT is incredible. I sleep with a watch on and it stays bright and crisp through the night.

Yes., you’re right sir. Rolex, even Omega does whole night duty with aplomb with proper lumes. I find Panerai doing the best in this field.

 
 By: Pun : August 11th, 2020-21:01
My Patek annual calendar lumes performance is just ordinary but again it was not made to perform well in that department. Aquanaut is a tool watch and it must perform an eight hour vigil well IMO. Regards

Patek is unfortunaltely not alone having produced sloppily lumed watches

 
 By: Boris : August 12th, 2020-05:07
I used to own an IWC Fliegerchronograph 3717 which was absolutely atrocious in that department.

Unevenly Applied Lume

 
 By: Timewarp : August 12th, 2020-02:18
It is not applied unevenly, it is the oxidation that has taken place around the edges of the application.

That's really interesting

 
 By: w220 : August 12th, 2020-05:11
Do you have more info on this? Can be "cleaned up" during service?

Lume

 
 By: Timewarp : August 12th, 2020-12:40
Hi. This can’t be ‘cleaned up’ as the chemicals that cause luminescence have burned out on the edges or on certain points on the application of luminous material. They have oxidised. This is an irreversible chemical reaction. The only way is to re apply i... 

Fun

 
 By: Timewarp : August 12th, 2020-12:48
As children we played with Revell Night Color which we applied to T-shirts, audio cassettes so I could find them and hear them In the dark in the Walkman after parents had called lights out. ...  

This is inexcusable...

 
 By: myles721 : August 12th, 2020-03:29
How can an excuse be made for a watch at this level?

Excuse

 
 By: Timewarp : August 12th, 2020-12:42
Well it’s been designed in the late 70’s, so it’s keeping the retro feel. 😉

Great comparison, thank you

 
 By: Boris : August 12th, 2020-05:05
I am so glad that Patek finally has a lume to compete with a Seiko Diver 200. EDIT: I realize that I was looking at this the wrong way around, and that the new lume is markedly worse than the old one, which was itself applied unevenly. This is absolutely ... 

Interesting post

 
 By: matto1 : August 12th, 2020-13:03
Thanks for sharing