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a new phrase to describe original......or does it ??
i came across this phrase whilst looking at a highly respected fleabay dealer, its a new one on me, but i think its brilliantly written to confuse.
'Brilliant original dial restored in silver using original applied silver baton hour markers and new Swiss made silver dagger hands'.
i know what it means and i'm sure you all do, but this will just dupe the unwitting buyer who wants a nice looking vintage watch. its a shame people have to resort to such measures to justify a mint dial.
he also has a 'Turler' seamaster, or does he ? thats how its advertised, but can anyone be sure thats how it started life ?
just a midweek thought.
Graham
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a new phrase to describe original......or does it ??
i came across this phrase whilst looking at a highly respected fleabay dealer, its a new one on me, but i think its brilliantly written to confuse. 'Brilliant original dial restored in silver using original applied silver baton hour markers and new Swiss ...
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