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relation RRP and number of watches
Dear Nicolas,
You are absolutely right about the watch being the most important. All I am saying is that there is a relation between what one is willing to pay for a watch and the number of watches produced. The price for the 339 was rather steep in my opinion, and Panerai tried to justify this by saying that the production process for the case and the R&D that has gone into it was expensive. Now, when you suddenly increase the number of watches by 50%, then I would assume that you can spread out those costs over a larger number of watches which results in a lower cost per unit...
But that has not happened...
Looking at it in a more extreme case, which perhaps best brings out my point: would you pay US$15k if this were a regular production watch?
Jumping off the Panerai bandwagon
I posted the below as a response to an existing post already yesterday, but think it might just deserve a post of its own. As is clear, my love / passion for Panerai has cooled down significantly. Don't get me wrong, I still think they are very appealing ...
You have made a point
the 339 is something I don't get, just like you When they say they will make 1000 is is very stupid to increase it to 1500. They should think twice before the make a LE. Once they said 1000 pce it should stay 1000 pce Same BS with the 341 Egiziano I hope ...
These increased LE are a kind of historical habit, at Panerai...
And Frankly, any old Panerai Collector shouldn't be shocked anymore... They made the same thing with the Cali ( and I don't remember if it was also the case for the 232 ), + the OOR phenomenon ( 127/ 217/ 163/ 203, 92 and a few others ). No one should buy...
relation RRP and number of watches
Dear Nicolas, You are absolutely right about the watch being the most important. All I am saying is that there is a relation between what one is willing to pay for a watch and the number of watches produced. The price for the 339 was rather steep in my op...
Absolutely, as the good price is the price I have the wiling to pay.
And if the watch is worth 15 K USD, why not? It is a long time I don't care about LE or not LE watches. LE is like marketing, in my opinion. The Marketing, nor the LE won't make me go on a watch if the watch doesn't sing to me. Therefore, a watch limited ...
Exactly my sentiments...
I completely agree with the values indicated in Nicolas' post. Buy it because you love the watch.
6 years
6 years of on average 2 pieces a year (although in some years 3 is perhaps more correct and then I sold 1 in some years as well when I came to the conclusion it was not going to be part of the collection going forward) and then I inherited some as well. C...
Sorry to hear your frustration
I totally understand where you're coming from and I also understand why Panerai does the things it does. Thanks for posting your thoughts since we are always interested in hearing how others feel, whether good or bad. I do agree with you that if Panerai d...
There are always ups...and downs. Thats what happens when you LOVE something
If there is no passion...ups and downs are not there my friend. I understand your points. Im also disappointed with some things at PAnerai (like OORs...for example), but honestly, this is just because we feel something really special for that brand. All t...
I don't get it.....
allowing for the frustration, aggravation and dejection you must be obviously feeling, I thought that the whimsicality and quircks of Panerai were part and parcel of it's aura.....appeal and mistique. Granted I've been a Panerai enthusiast for a very shor...
I can understand your frustration
and disappointment, however, for good or bad Panerai is so popular that I'm sure they feel they can pretty much do what they like. Therefore, if they want to increase production of the 339 by 50% then they will. Similarly, if the want to delay release or ...
I understand your sentiment but before you jump off,
there're a few points that might be worth your thoughts? #1 Let's take a quick look at OP's limited edition pieces that were either NEW in casing design or dimention at the time of release and NOT limited by the movement supply: PAM52, the first 40mm Lumi...
Very good points Jester
We should bring up your last point in HoMe forum about the opening of Brand Boutiques possibly increasing the cost to the consumer. I personally think your accessment is true btw. Cheers, Anthony
I think most brands are guilty of this
That is, coming out with limited editions, then either altering them or producing more than originally stated. I think it's business as usual, and therefore I take the term 'limited edition' with a very large grain of salt.
You really hit the nail on the head.....
Vivid, sense making essay. Bravo!!! I'm sure some of the old timers have a bit of a problem in realizing that the Vandome aquisition of Panerai, had to do with....making money. Whereas in the Pre-V days, the clients (a much smaller base) were going to Pan...
i completely understand your Frustration
2 Years is a very long wait.! but i wonder why you couldn't pick one up from some very reputable Sellers ??! i see quite a few 317 for sale. on the other hand, if i had such a BIG Panerai Collection ,that should keep me happy and fulfilled for a long whil...
interesting
As a new owner of a PAM31 since 15 June, I am very happy. I love the dial and the feel on my wrist. I however do not see myself owning more than 2-3 Panerais. I just don't see the point owning watch models which are 90% the same dial. I will like a submer...
Keeping some (and a question on the Mare Nostrum for those in the know)
Yes, as indicated there are some pieces that I will not sell due to emotional value (inherited). And it might very well turn out to be more than 1 or 2, as during the last couple of weeks I have been looking at some of the others pieces that I bought dire...
Just be sure not to post here in the forum pictures of the models you're selling
because we have a rule in our Collectors Market that you cannot list for sale any watches that you've posted pictures or talked about in the forums for a minimum period of 3 months. We have this rule in effect for shilling reasons. Cheers, Anthony
No worries Anthony...
... I am very much aware of that rule and for the watches that I intend to sell I am already in discussion with some people from the local collector's community. Works much better than selling through the internet! So the few pieces that I will show here ...
I could understand your frustration..
In my earlier years of going after a desired Panerai watch, I too, waited for them whether LE or non-LE, ... Those days, quantities were even fewer and at times, we couldn't even get to see even a regular model on display. But I came to realise after all ...
As promised some pictures... I decided to make chrono's the theme
I thought I'd throw in some chrono's as I am a bit fond of those myself..... I must be the only (or at least one of the very very few) person with the Panerai 311s in his collection. I bought one for myself (I must admit that it is certainly one the Paner...