Question on Voutilainen availability
Recently, I tried to order the new Worldtime from Kari. The response, unfortunately, was "due to unprecedented demand, our current lead time has now extended beyond 12 years. Under these circumstances, we believe it would neither be reasonable nor respons...
I think you have discovered the idea of Michael Mann's Heat 2 movie
It is a 3 hour crime saga on how a crew of bad guys attempts to steal a few FPJs and a Kari from a collector!! ;-)
None that I’m aware of 😔
When I met him in Geneva 2 years ago the wait was 7 years. Back in 2018 when I commissioned mine it was 15 months - for a GMT-6. Only making 60 watches a year it doesn’t take long to get to this stage I guess. Have you tried the folks at The Hour Glass? ...
ADs had preordered.
Not sure if that’s still the case, as one suggested they could no longer do that in a recent discussion. But up until recently that was the case.
Unfortunately I think that ship has sailed.
From the recent Phillips auction it seems that Kari is going to be entering his recognition phase at auction following the footsteps of FPJ. Also his total yearly production like you said is like 60. So if you had not put a deposit down like 4 years ago t...
This is only my opinion so take it for what it’s worth.
The takeoff of FPJ I remember was right around the time the Watchbox hype machine was in full steam. Combine that with social media and influencers wearing pieces and well the spark went from embers to full flame. Now Kari, Smith, Dufour, Daniels are not ...
Think of the flood of request he is probably getting now.
Last I checked Just shy of 1k FPJs for sale in the world and zero Kari. It’s going to get interesting here soon. ...
I’ll have to keep that and remind them of that when I’m looking to purchase from them.
Sleazy dealers trying to have it both ways.
I would be nervous if I'm holding on to many Journe as a dealer
1000 listings (though not all genuine) are a lot...
Yea unfortunately once watches atty breaking that $1m mark
Who knows where it’s going to settle.
Maybe there are backdoor ways...
I know there are some private collaborations that have used Voutilainen cases. Occasionally they pop up on the secondary market, but it's unknown if they will ever get picked up and recognized the same way the "prime" work will. I think in the long run so...
Are you familiar with any of the private collaborations and cooperatives like Lyrique?
Lyrique uses Agenhor movements & Voutilainen cases, among other things. While they (now) operate as a Swiss Cooperative (I think cooperative is the right term) they basically are delivering at a cost-of-production delivery model. I know they are limit...
Or you could alternatively buy Urban Jurgemsen that is now owned by KV.
Or Schwarz Etienne if you want some of the dials made by KV.
I am not surprised and I too have missed the boat
The supply is always extremely limited with independents. Therefore, you should look at other offerings in the market. You should still be able to find alternatives rather than put your hopes in Kari. There are new and budding watchmakers on the rise. It ...