Would the PC leap year dial mean it was made for a German client? [nt]

Oct 21, 2020,09:51 AM
 

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Two Breguet wristwatches from the era of Chaumet, Bodet and Roth

 
 By: gadalex : October 21st, 2020-08:57
On the 23rd September last year I attended an evening preview at Sotheby’s in London, firstly to congratulate an old friend on his new book being presented at the same event, and to handle two 1980s Breguet wrist watches that a friend had shown interest i...  

These are two beautiful examples...

 
 By: mdg : October 21st, 2020-09:03
...they look so much more 'organic' than their modern counterparts. And these days, great value too...

I have received comments elsewhere critical of the quality of the engine turning.

 
 By: gadalex : October 21st, 2020-09:09
But I think that is somewhat harsh as it neglects to take into consideration the context of what a luxury watch was in the wake of proliferation of quartz. There was oddly an element of cottage industry as those brands that emerged in the late 1970s and 1... 

I appreciate the more handmade look of these...

 
 By: mdg : October 21st, 2020-09:15
...the modern versions are beautiful, but look as if they were done by a computer. Valuation aside, I would always take a watch that looked like a Daniels or Smith (early) over a 'perfect' watch. I want to see the hand of the person who made it.

More than likely.

 
 By: gadalex : October 21st, 2020-09:59
The watches were consigned to the same sale most likely by the same client. They were manufactured in consecutive years ('86 and '87) and we know that the 3130 was sold in Dusseldorf, May 1986, which would lead me to believe that they ended up in the same... 

Interesting article and history of Chaumet...

 
 By: patrick_y : October 21st, 2020-10:09
Thank you very much for the read!

*of [nt]

 
 By: Age_of_Surfaces : October 21st, 2020-11:19

They are wonderful pieces.

 
 By: gadalex : October 21st, 2020-13:38
Funny thing is I only started investigating once I had the chance to photograph them because the caseback of the perpetual held some intrigue. It was certainly worth the effort.

I've returned to your post having spent the last six months studying the work of Daniel Roth in more detail

 
 By: Age_of_Surfaces : April 17th, 2021-22:00
This has involved coming across written pieces where you were involved, some quite high-profile coverage in the watch media, IG (unavoidably) and the complete catalogue of his work reconstructed from back issues of Europa Star. You could say I'm smitten. ... 

Thank you!

 
 By: gadalex : October 21st, 2020-13:39
I did write Mr Roth with some questions about the references mentioned in the post, but alas I have yet to receive an answer!

Very informative post

 
 By: Speedie74 aka Mr. Torquise : October 21st, 2020-11:36
with beautiful pictures, thanks for it! I didn’t know that Roth was also at Breguet, I was aware of the fact, that he worked for Audemars. But if I compare the dials of the first Roth watches with these Breguet’s, the similarity is obvious. As for the gui... 

Hi Adam. Thank you for your comments.

 
 By: gadalex : October 21st, 2020-13:43
Mr Roth certainly played a pivotal role in Swiss watchmaking in the the 1980s and early 90s. I am preparing an overview of guilloche dials on watches from the 1970s to the present day, but haven't yet delved too deeply into the operation of the machinery.... 

Interesting article

 
 By: VinnieD : October 21st, 2020-13:03
I remember my great uncle - who used to be in the diamonds trade - telling me about these stories. Jewellery in the 70s and 80s must have been quite something with on one hand capitalism running wild in Western societies and on the other hand oil riches a... 

Good write up [nt]

 
 By: WatchEater : October 21st, 2020-13:35

Thank you for this very informative thread.

 
 By: Tyo : October 21st, 2020-19:14
I’m a proud owner of a Tradition so I mean it sounds louder to me.

A pleasure indeed. [nt]

 
 By: gadalex : October 22nd, 2020-00:19

Pleasure! [nt]

 
 By: gadalex : October 23rd, 2020-03:01

Love these watches!!

 
 By: Spencer Karrington : October 23rd, 2020-03:31
While they are part of the Swatch group, i love how, while they have sort of strayed around from the handmade details, they still try to uphold the values of breguet and the brand as well as the aesthetics which makes them one of my all time fav watch bra... 

A pleasure

 
 By: gadalex : April 26th, 2021-09:05

Breguet 3050 vs. 4259RE

 
 By: mikephuvie : December 3rd, 2021-15:38
Hi, during my search for a Breguet I came across your article on WPS board. I just want to let you know that there is a reference 4259RE that I came across which is identical to the 3050. This could possibly be the predecessor to the 3050. Or perhaps Breg... 

Thanks for the info.

 
 By: gadalex : December 16th, 2021-18:54
For some reason I've only just seen your message. I will look into it. Regards, Baruch

Here are some pics

 
 By: mikephuvie : December 16th, 2021-22:26
Also found info on one auction by Sotheby’s. ...