Spotted this amazing Audemars Piguet Royal Oak Perpetual Calendar reference 25654ST this morning

Jan 23, 2018,06:46 AM

First time I see such a dial patina on a Royal Oak.

Brownish, copper, maybe burgundy sometimes with sub dial rims which are verging on the orange. This dial patina is just incredible and so desirable 😍

What do you think of it?

Credit: Meertz World of Time

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That is truly stunning

 By: ChristianDK : January 23rd, 2018-06:54
do you have an idea what year it is made? Thanks for posting it.

My pleasure

 By: Alkiro1 : January 23rd, 2018-06:56
It is from 1990. Best wishes Alkiro


 By: g_schroder : January 23rd, 2018-07:05
I haven't seen that color before, very interesting. The patina is also really different, it's almost like the sub-dials just have discoloring around their edges, which seems odd to me. In any event, a very cool watch and really something you don't see eve... 

What was the original color? [nt]

 By: Arie - Mr Orange : January 23rd, 2018-07:18

So the black (or blue) changed into red??

 By: Arie - Mr Orange : January 23rd, 2018-08:10
mmm could it be counterfeiting? I have often wondered what would happen if you would place a Rolex (or in this case an AP dial) under a UV light for weeks or months....? Artificial patina?

Oh yes... but already “On Hold” 😉

 By: Alkiro1 : January 23rd, 2018-07:54
Best wishes Alkiro

WoW that is beautiful! nt

 By: SALMANQ8 : January 23rd, 2018-07:36

TRULY beautiful 😍

 By: Alkiro1 : January 23rd, 2018-08:02
Best wishes Alkiro

I don't know about this one; it does not fit with RO QP history

 By: Joepny : January 23rd, 2018-07:49
So I saw this pic on the Meertz IG account yesterday. It was surprising. I did some amateur research on the RO QP last year when I was purchasing mine so I remember many variations. Not this one from Meertz. This dial is very different and some of its odd...  

There’s another potential explanation even if it’s mostly improbable

 By: Alkiro1 : January 23rd, 2018-09:45
One of my friend, who own a lot of AP, went to the manufacture for a visit few years ago and he saw a RO with a very unusual dial colour on the wrist of one of the employees. He asked what this dial colour was and the employee replied him that it was a pr... 

Great that you brought it ro light.

 By: kolosstt : January 23rd, 2018-09:38
Detailed and would pay special attention to understand first how to explain such difference. Cheers Kolosstt

Very nice patina.

 By: VMM : January 23rd, 2018-07:52
Those look like signs of humidity on the dial and hands, I hope the movement has not been affected. Watch looks great anyway. Vte

Okay, now even more questions about the provenance

 By: Joepny : January 23rd, 2018-08:03
screen grab from the Meertz website of the watch Reference 25654 was the 3rd generation of the Royal Oak Perpetual Calendar. It was estimated that 800 total were produced in various metals. The year 1990 would be acceptable because this generation had a l...  

I think this watch will give rise to more questions that it will give us answers unfortunately

 By: Alkiro1 : January 23rd, 2018-08:44
I hope someone here could give us more info. Best wishes Alkiro

Just some info

 By: ciaca : April 24th, 2018-05:35
Sorry to be late, from my personal research ref. 25654 has been produced in more than 1000, the one I have in my collection brings on an individual number higher than 900 and in my reaserch I've spotted some piece with number slightly higher than 1000. Fu... 

Interesting, thanks...

 By: Joepny : April 24th, 2018-06:20
I thought all the Royal Oak watches up to about the mid-90s were 2 part construction case. I think Velociphile made a post about it last year.... Anyhow, good to know that production number is more accurately over 1000. It means it was a good success and ... 

Another inconsistency: words “Audemars Piguet Automatic” printed over tapisserie

 By: Joepny : January 23rd, 2018-09:47
That is very different from any other dial style in the RO QP history that I’ve seen. Typically “Audemars Piguet Automatic” is printed over a smooth surface different from the dial pattern in terms of color and/or texture. The watch is already on hold per... 

Good additional point. It seems that the length of applied indexes are slightly shorter than they should be too

 By: Alkiro1 : January 23rd, 2018-10:14
I would be curious to see the original (extract from the archives?) papers of this one. Best wishes Alkiro

Yes the Extract from the Archives needs to support this dial for me

 By: Joepny : January 23rd, 2018-10:32
Meertz said it is the original dial and hands. I doubt the Certificate of Guarantee would do it. But who knows? AP made thousands of the RO QP.

Sure, possible special order, but dial quality is too low with those issues that I pointed out

 By: Joepny : January 23rd, 2018-11:06
So, if I were the VIP client and AP sent that dial to me (imagine it was blue or black tapisserie before the rust set in), I wouldn't be happy and wouldn't keep it. I would send it back to AP. I am surprised Meertz did not mention anything on their IG or ... 

They want to sell mainly in my opinion 😉

 By: Alkiro1 : January 23rd, 2018-11:34
Best wishes Alkiro

Very nice patina color my friend 👌🏻 [nt]

 By: Watchonthewrist : January 23rd, 2018-12:34
No message body

Sorry i am no AP expert . I think some comments make sense .

 By: Watchonthewrist : January 23rd, 2018-13:23
If you see the space between the sub dails 🤔. Would love to know the outcome of this puzzel 😉

So was i 😬. [nt]

 By: Watchonthewrist : January 23rd, 2018-13:35

Easy to understand why 😉

 By: Alkiro1 : January 23rd, 2018-13:38
Best wishes Alkiro

Seems appealing

 By: VinnieD : January 23rd, 2018-14:08
but I would stay away from that one An acquaintance had a nice blue dial Reverso date (quartz) It recently turned completely golden brown... guess what? That acquaintance had had a little water accident with the watch but she likes it as it is I have the ... 

Interesting. I suppose this water was salted?

 By: Alkiro1 : January 23rd, 2018-14:20
Best wishes Alkiro


 By: VinnieD : January 23rd, 2018-14:21
No just plain tap water (but it was at the seaside...) Examples from two tone Rolex GMTs with blue dial turned purple/brown abound I believe

She told me her crown was not properly set when she had her hand under the tap

 By: VinnieD : January 23rd, 2018-14:27
I do not know how long it took but the result is actually quite interesting - I will try to post a picture at some point BTW - I meant the yellow gold rolex blue dials that sometimes turn to purple or brown (two tones are brown to start with ;-)

example of a blue dial turned brown

 By: VinnieD : January 23rd, 2018-14:33
a "nice tropical dial"... credit - internet ...  

I bet this was a custom order.

 By: JerryW : January 23rd, 2018-19:08
They have been writing Audemars Piguet on the tapestry for many years. I have seen some photos where the letters look a bit strange. Although I do see a hint of blue on the dial edge between the 6-9.

Same for me 😊

 By: Alkiro1 : January 24th, 2018-07:31
Best wishes Alkiro

I have an aging Offshore dial I hope to use one day...

 By: MichaelC : January 24th, 2018-05:42
I have been meaning to do a post on it. The patina is cool. I'll get to it soon.