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Dear Fx,
I understand 100% the argument you are making.
In Finnish we say "the lightning never hits the same place twice". In reality it can happen but very seldom.
The lightning hit me twice and when the other watch was repaired, it hit again in 5 days. Plus there has been also some reports that there has been just similar problems with the newest 15202. One does not need to be a Rocket Scientist to draw conclusions. Plus when all the shit is flying to own fan, one can really feel the same in the face.
I do not say that all AP would be the same. I like many of the watches AP is producing but now I think AP is having an issue to solve.
I'm not a "Patek Man" because I'm dissapointed with my two Royal Oak. The reasons are much deeper and more about the same later. Now I hope and believe that AP will look at the problem a bit deeper. They have some good people capable of doing that. In the end in this word there's much more complicated technology than watch movements.
Best, Kari
Fantastic Audemars Piguet!
In the end of last year I bought a fantastic brand new Audemars Piguet Royal Oak Perpetual Calendar ref. 25820ST. What a nice watch! However, it worked on my wrist only for 12 days and it stopped working on 20th February at 16:40. Sad... I also bought in ...
Wow! I feel very sorry for you Kari.......
Is this bad luck? Not so sure, I have had many problems with my 5402ST as well and it has always been serviced at the same place, where you met Mr Thomas Rubi, who, by the way is a very nice gentleman. Now the watch is functioning perfectly well and I am ...
I agree, Mr. Thomas Rubi is a very pleasant gentleman
and to his credit I must say that he was not totally comfortable testing my watch just for a week after the repairs. At the same time I heard that the waiting lists for 15202 are long. So I guess the quality control of Audemars Piguet has collapsed. I wil...
Such things are totally unacceptable
when the prices are what they are. In my books AP is simply not worth the money we pay for their watches. And the kind of watches I bought should never have hit the shelves of the shop. Best, Kari
Do send them back or get them to replace new ones. Agreed. For such $$, there
must not be such hassle and mental torture to know they are not in good order. Hope all turns out better.
The nearest AP Service Centre is
two flights worth of € 1,000 away. When I will next time visit Patek's Geneva Salon, I might also throw the junk I have to AP Boutique. I have also been offered an opportunity to visit AP's factory in Le Brassus but in my current mood I would be a most un...
I told already in Singapore
to one of the main owners who is also a Board Member of AP what I think. In a polite way, as always. But I will do something. Perhaps putting the other watch into pieces and film it to internet, write a polite letter or something. Now it is a bit difficul...
What a sad story
Thanks tough for sharing, because only a broad public can motivate AP as any other brand to improve. I followed your sad experiences for a while now in these forums, but this is just the cherry on top. Two watches, hardly worn but reliably fail. Really so...
The next service of my AP RO
will be my nice 5402 with box & papers. AP can do a full overall service and then I sell the watch or give as a present to somebody. The perpetual RO I can't afford to sell. When carrying this watch out from the shop, over 50% of the value is vaporisi...
It's better to have the nerves on good shape
than having a Royal Oak on the wrist. Best, Kari
Lada vs AP
We could now start an off-topic discussion what is more reliable: A> the Lada car used somewhere out in the uncivilised desert and nobody cares to go down the unpaved streets. B> Or the AP that is worn by people like you in white collar with hardest...
I had a Lada as my work car
from 1974 till 1977 when working as a water clark.. I was told that when the car breaks, I will get a Toyota Corolla. With all the enthusiasm of a young man, I tried everything I could with my Lada: I drove over 60 km/h with the first gear, I changed to r...
There were two cars,
which left me on the road: a Mazda Rx-8 and a Bmw 335i coupe. Both were my personal cars, unfortunately, the Bmw left me 3 times on the Road and I still have problems with it.. But I never had any problems with my beloved Honda S2000 although I have done ...
Sounds good
because today is my wife's birthday and she will get as a partial present her new car next week: BMW 435iX Cabriolet. Perhaps it will leave her on the road far away from home, lol. I have just good experience of this engine. I had as my summer car for a c...
Don't worry, Kari,
as far as I know, the very first series engines have only this kind of problem, and mine belongs to them.. Childhood-diseases....
Let's hope for the best.
I like the characteristics of the engine and I intend to borrow the car every now and then... Best, Kari
Sorry to hear this,
I have just heard from my AD, that there are many problems with the new 15202's! They have sold 4 in the last 6 Month, and 3 of them came back with the same issue: the watches stopped working!!! And yes, there are huge problems with the quality end-contro...
Tanks Adam,
just the same issue: the watch stopped working. The Service Centre thought they found the problem and also explained the same to me. However, it looks like there are at least two problems with the movement. It's weird that my just the same happened to my ...
I just got a very polite email from AP
and naturally, they are very sorry. The good news is that now the factory knows about the problems and I hope that they can also figure out what went wrong with the latest production. Perhaps a re-call for check-up would be in place? Best, Kari
Something serious is going on
You get an email on a public state holiday from AP factory? => Some heavy bells must have been ringing!
No, I got the email from
the Regional Client Service Manager of Southeast Asia Mr. Jeremie Comel. In fact I got two mails. Jeremie is a very nice guy and he has been communicating with Switzerland, I do not know with whom there. Anyhow, it is clear that AP is taking such an issue...
Sorry
Im sorry, its very frustating when that happens to a watch. The 15202 is one of my favorites, but the fact that I had a ROO that stopped working twice (some days after the service, stopped again!) have delayed the buy, I know it is different movement (min...
Dear Kari...
I have two Patek: they both faced a problem. I have one Audemars, the Millenary 4101: it is maybe the most accurate watch of my collection and never faced an issue. Conclusion: I'm an AP man? No, the reality is that any brand may face problems. I'm not su...
Dear Fx,
I understand 100% the argument you are making. In Finnish we say "the lightning never hits the same place twice". In reality it can happen but very seldom. The lightning hit me twice and when the other watch was repaired, it hit again in 5 days. Plus ther...
This has been a very drama filled journey.
Surely, anyone here would echo your sentiments if we had the same experience. I have never experienced such problems with any watch, and my 15202 has been 100% reliable. I wish you continued luck with your Pateks. Do share with us the findings on the 1520...
Michael,
I am sure that one day these two AP RO will tick correctly. And my attitude is not to put AP against PP - vice versa: I would like to see these two brands side-by-side. I did not sacrafice remarkable amounts of hard earned money in order to criticise AP. ...
I feel very sorry for you and...
Hope all will be ultimately sorted out to your satisfaction. What was the issue found by AP when they first serviced the watch? Please also keep us posted on what the next diagnosis will point to.
Some part, I do not remember which one,
was originally adjusted too close to something else and that stopped the watch. To be honest, I did not even listen too carefully. My feeling was that AP wanted to tell something simple to say "a very minor issue that is now solved". People fly to space, ...
Sorry
I am sorry to hear that your AP's have been such a let down but you should be comforted by the fact that your 5550 is quite simply one of the best watches on the planet! I hope your AP nightmare is resolved quickly.
Luckily
my 5550P works fine and it is very accurate. If any problems would arise, Patek likes to know about those before introducing the same technology to new watches. I well understand that when I was given an opportunity to buy a 5550P, I also approved the res...
No news...
I placed both Royal Oaks to the safe - also considered waste paper basket. When I calm down and go to Switzerland, I will probably take the watches for service but now I do not even want to think about the same. To say "I'm disappointed with Audemar Pigue...
Ah,
When I happen to visit Geneva, I will drop those watches for service and pick them up next year when I go there again. I have kind of lost my interest because one would be just bad luck, two tell something about bed manufacturing or quality control. I'm t...
Sorry to hear of your troubles....I have had some too
I only own 1 AP Royal Oak. It is a 15300. I have had problems with the movement. One day it might run 45 seconds fast per day, or more, the next day it is within COSC spec. I never know quite what I am going to get when I wear it. I feel far more confiden...
The accuracy of my RO is perfect -
twice a day. I try to find some merits from a watch that has stopped. I thought that my AP Royal Oaks are like Ladas: a hard kick will solve all the problems. But perhaps it's like you say - Italian sport cars. There's a rich Finnish guy who sold his Ferr...
This is very disconcerting!
First of all I am truly sorry that a fellow purist has had to suffer such an ordeal! In this "hobby" we all suffer the occasional heartache and our experiences are riddled with "whys" and "ifs". But this? this is truly unacceptable! Second, as a long time...
Without hesitation:
take 5711. It is different class. However, I must say that AP is trying to solve the problem in such a way that everything would be as easy as possible to me. For that I must give a full credit to AP. Another issue is that such rubbish should never go thr...
Curious to hear...
... how AP has responded and what they propose to do to address this awkward situation (other than just 'take it back to the nearest service center'). Let us know the developments here.