A. Lange & Söhne

The sales associate informed me that the manufacturer is now focusing on complications and this affecting the output which now stands around 2500 pcs . Lesser number of Saxonias and date models and more of complications . I thought they made a new facilit... 

Like 4-digit Rolexes, the only place to buy Langes is the preowned market.

Same, except I will not buy ALS even in the preowned market for fear they will swindle me on servicing costs.

They've got you even more paranoid than me!

… and buying. I completely switched from new buying to ore-loved. I love Lange watches, but since my AD lost Lange and the Lange changed his selling behavior, I do not consider buying new from Lange. Btw, traveling long distance to speak to a sales person... 

vote with one’s feet and walk away.

Lower production will probably help with value retention somewhat, but it seems like tough economic times to require that much bundling. I recall approx four years ago they did require one additional purchase, and I wanted a Lange1, so it wasn't a put off... 

When I bought a brand new Zeitwerk in March of 2020, I did it because I liked that Lange didn't play stupid games like AP, Rolex and Patek. Well, shortly after they started and now I am totally done with them and any other brand that plays games. I don't ... 

isn't this driven more by demand >> supply than "stupid games" by the supplier. a la Japanese whiskey, French burgundy, etc. I.e. back in the day only steel daytonas were difficult to acquire but you could walk in and buy a precious metal daytona (and lik... 

That’s huge, demand dropped or they have resources issue? They probably like to do less for more, selling $150-$400k watches to a few privileged than selling to mass “peasants” lol…

Rolex 😤 I never imagined ALS would get to this point, and it does ruffle my feathers a bit. I suppose we are now seeing the domino effect of what started as cutting AD’s a couple years ago for their boutique-only distribution model. Even though I only pla... 

I do love my two Lange watches but I will for sure not add any other of their products to my collection. Their selling stragegy (bundling),the boutique only distribution model and of course the insane price levels have driven me out of the market for the ... 

Brands like ALS and Grand Seiko that got named ''bang for buck'' in their specific categories sure listened to their clients and took that feedback to heart and did a number on them.

When a brand can take people who acquire and wear and enjoy watches and turn it into an allocation/hype game. No interest in ALS at this point, which is sad as a L1 MP or grande MP was something I was interested in🤷‍♂️

So I am a customer of Lange, I bought a Lange 1 in blue back in 2020 from a boutique. I went to the same boutique in 2023 November and fancied a white gold Lange 1 with the lume as a daily watch as the blue sat in the safe. They told me because I had purc... 

It’s much easier to make less watches, and sell them for more $$$. I wish them, and all other brands good luck!

There are increasingly those who can afford it, and I imagine they would also appreciate exclusivity. So, paying for complicated pieces attainable by only a select few is not an unreasonable approach to establishing a brand whose product is only for those... 

When the economy turns south, not even the privileged buy luxury! Remember the years pre-pandemic? The watch market was at the bottom, so all is temporary. I remember in 2010, at a AD’s in New York it was offered 35% off any Lange right from the start, an... 

And you are watch lover?

I also think I mastered that quality called patience, where I don’t need to have everything tomorrow, and so far it works! I would never buy two unwanted watches to get the one I want, even if money wouldn’t be an object! This is a hobby not a must, I’m o... 

Doesn't that mean they're directly addressing the bundling issues? If they don't make as many base dress models but more complications which I assume everyone wants, there should be less need to force bundles...

but i assume the concern is that this is less about making more of the pieces in demand and more about the minimum cost of the bundle moving up.

Boutique in Japan does not recognize my purchase in Hongkong and vice versa.

it seems like those are the only ones that are part of experiences like this

Luckily I have grown not to like it anymore LOL

Money well saved

a) plenty of other watches out there b) with numerous follow on extensions in the works, i'm sure an ody at some point will be released that doesn't require the same hoop jumping that you'll like more than the original (as has been the case with every one... 

If I buy a lange from Osaka boutique, this WOnT count apparently if I buy something else in Tokyo boutique. but this is not a “Japanese” issue and a Richemont directive. If you approach any other boutique in any country they will tell you the same thing. ... 

that insists on bundles in short sighted. One should always walk away from a brand who does not value its clients.

is what Lange was before Richemont. Rather than bemoan Richemont’s destruction of Lange, why not just get on board with Grossmann? That’s what I’m doing. I like to keep it positive/generative, and so find it useful to not engage with Richemont brands, bec... 

I also own just one Lange currently, and have been awfully impressed by what Grossmann is doing down the road from them,

I loved Lange. I bought pieces new from an AD, pieces from renowned auction houses and even grey market (gasp). When Lange shifted to boutique sales, I walked into a boutique thinking I’d be a valued customer, only to be relegated to “we don’t know you”. ... 

Very sad to hear that and how Lange has treated an esteemed collector like yourself in such a bad way. Honestly I love the Lange 1 design but I am also not that excited about buying their watches and all these hoops and stupidity. Many of their associates... 

is this any different from if you were to go to a different Patek, AP, Rolex, etc? (i.e. are there brands on allocation that will recognize one's collection even if it was procured via a different retailer or second-hand)?

I’ve lost the love for the brand with these policies . I find AP , Piaget, Chopard , Patek, Rolex , JLC accommodating and are top notch in customer services . Even FPJ acknowledges the patronage and working hard to get the pieces even with limited product... 

Thank you. I will watch out

Got bored looking at it within short time.

I promise, no more stupid thought.

...I read so many posts saying "I will steer away from them because of their bundle policies". What I actually see is more and more people happily playing their game.

Lange is alienating so many potential customers. Not everyone has over 50k laying around to spend on a watch that will lose a huge chunk of its value as you walk out the door.

and we have decided to leave that game 😊

it makes the lange policy seem like charity. Though oddly, it doesn't seem like you see a ton of dirt cheap as-new scarves, saddles or whatever other stuff they jam customers with on the resale market.

It's quite simple. ALS must grow and there are several options for this. You could increase the number of units, but you have to build new buildings, buy machines and hire staff (which is currently not available). Alternatively, you can grow by making pro... 

They are simply artifically controlling the supply with lame excuses as they know the they have out priced themselves and they still have many to buy the pieces they produce. By cutting retailers they have controlled the discounts and by buying in auction...