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I have only one Lange…
Apr 05, 2024,04:34 AM
But a lot of Pateks. So i maybe biased but the thickness of Lange really comes to play. I have the datograph and i love the depth of the movement but the thickness sometimes throws me off. For time only pieces, i agree Lange feels that they have more quality and craftsmanship. I also feel that the complicated Lange have more depth in the movement but the consequence is the thickness. I love the zeitwerk but it is so thick that i did not pull the trigger. Finishing, hands down, Lange win.
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Lange’s better product value versus Patek for example
By: Jay (Eire) : April 4th, 2024-20:15
Not always easy to pick this up in photos. The dial texture is an under appreciated aspect of this particular watch as the focus is always on the honey gold. When one compares Lange and Patek in the sub $30/$40/50k price points I think there is enough sup...
I’ve owned several watches from both brands
By: Cozmopak : April 4th, 2024-21:00
Including the original Datograph and the Patek 3970. There is little doubt in my mind that Lange makes the better product. We can quibble over aesthetics, historical significance, etc. But mechanically Lange is the very clear winner.
+++1
By: amanico : April 4th, 2024-21:17
+++++1
By: Peter : April 7th, 2024-13:06
I do agree.
By: Jay (Eire) : April 7th, 2024-14:53
At least in the price points where I look at watches from both brands.
LOL!
By: amanico : April 7th, 2024-18:31
i heard stories about lange recently, which...
By: Peter : April 7th, 2024-13:11
....are very much along the lines of PP, AP etc games. lange is freaking out when you mention the word 'odysseus'. but ia have bought an odysseus WG today from a grey dealer, new, under list price, fully stickered.... i don't know what the fuss made by la...
Here’s my two. Cents.
By: aperna : April 4th, 2024-21:10
Enter text I guess they’ll tell you what group I’m in ...
Those two I do have some experience with and indeed my position remains.
By: Jay (Eire) : April 4th, 2024-23:53
However, at least when the Data Up/Down was in production at the same time as the 5170 the retail price points were materially different right? Dato being considerably higher priced. So maybe not so fair. That said, I think you could probably substitute t...
Their price list is on their website.
By: Clueless_Collector : April 4th, 2024-21:49
My 5960 full serviced cost $1200. Their Annual Calendar is Category 4 - 2200 euros. Don’t even want to know Cat 6 ”On Request” but I heard a PLM Tourbillon can be $20k etc. I will stop at ZW, which is Cat 5.
Correct my good friend…
By: ZSHSZ : April 5th, 2024-13:08
I initially ordered the 1815 rattrapante, when released, and a couple of months later just for curiosity sake asked about the service cost and I was told $10-$15K! Needless to say, I cancelled the order…
Wow
By: Cozmopak : April 6th, 2024-15:52
That is very different from my experience. My Datograph is the most accurate watch I have ever owned except for my modern day Rolex. I have yet to find a watch that beats the accuracy of a modern day Rolex.
Is it adjusted
By: Henke : April 10th, 2024-15:02
Or is it because they use a silicon hairspring? Either way, Patek's dedication to chronometry is quite impressive, however it seems very difficult for their salespeople to convey!
Not easy to reproduce at all.
By: Cozmopak : April 4th, 2024-21:44
Easy to mimic, poorly. Even the so-called "super clones" for Rolex are very easily identified as fakes. Sure, they can fool the uneducated consumer. But even for an average watch collector they can be easily outed as fakes.
+100
By: doubleup : April 5th, 2024-03:41
Especially with the Pateks, the fakes are extremely easy to spot all day. Subs and Royal Oaks, a little trickier as of late (sometimes) but wouldn’t fool most who have been in it a decent amount of time or are educated collectors. I hear what you’re sayin...
Or better still...
By: enjoythemusic : April 5th, 2024-12:11
Seek a timepiece that is very challenging to repro MB&F Czapek Armin Strom H. Moser ---- feel free to add to this list in the comments / replies below.
This is absolutely true...
By: patrick_y : April 4th, 2024-22:36
However, there are a lot of arguments. And there are many ways to perceive value. At the $30,000 to $50,000 price range, Pateks/Vacherons/APs/Breguets are not usually double assembled. Thus, outside of materials, design, the biggest variable here is man-h...
Thanks for adding your thoughts Patrick.
By: Jay (Eire) : April 4th, 2024-23:48
Of course cheaper in this case (be it labour, overall production costs etc) definitely does not mean inferior. And I know that's not what you are suggesting.
Agreed!
By: patrick_y : April 5th, 2024-20:12
:-)
By: Reuven Malter : April 6th, 2024-06:38
By the way, Lange started to move a few of their departments to Berlin (only non-technical ones, of course), because it is virtually impossible to move creative people to glashütte (or even dresden) even though i personally would enjoy living in Dresden.....
+1
By: Aquaracer1 : April 5th, 2024-02:03
Texture is beautiful, especially on this watch!
I have only one Lange…
By: furen : April 5th, 2024-04:34
But a lot of Pateks. So i maybe biased but the thickness of Lange really comes to play. I have the datograph and i love the depth of the movement but the thickness sometimes throws me off. For time only pieces, i agree Lange feels that they have more qual...
Thanks for your comments, and perspective being an owner of both.
By: Jay (Eire) : April 5th, 2024-16:51
I think for me the differences appear larger at the "lower" price points for the respective brands and that was the discussion I wanted to initiate. The point re thickness is well taken, this is one (of many) reasons I am drawn to Journe for example. And ...
I have tried the ZW so many times.
By: furen : April 6th, 2024-13:25
But i could not get over the thickness. I agree the movement lacks the depth but i love the complication and dial. I also love the homage to Lange, the second counter chronograph. Journe is also a favorite, i have the resonance and i am waiting for the op...
Lange vs Patek
By: Time to watch : April 5th, 2024-08:05
Rolls Royce vs Bentley Ferrari vs Lamborghini Etc etc etc Each brand offers its own interpretation of the product, be it cars or watches. And it’s up to the consumer to decide. When I go watch shopping , as I do car shopping, i don’t just consider the eng...
"A. Large & Sohne"
By: Jay (Eire) : April 5th, 2024-17:02
The 6100 is 8.08mm, the 1815 is 8.8mm. Good comparisons, sub seconds dials, similar diameter with the Lange being slightly smaller. Same price point. Other quick comparisons may be: Annual Calendars : 5205 is 11.36mm. 1815 Annual Calendar is 10.1mm. One i...
By: Time to watch : April 6th, 2024-05:18
Hey Jay, My reply was focused more on my personal experience regarding wearability on my wrist. As an example my 5196r is 8mm thickness with a 37mm case and it just sits perfectly on my wrist. Thickness is one factor of the overall watch but I find specs ...
Absolutely true.
By: Jay (Eire) : April 7th, 2024-14:51
When I owned my Dato Up/Down, a watch I wore as a daily essentially, I was still smitten by the ZW. On my wrist the ZW, despite it being thinner than the Dato, was far too thick visually and I could never get there on making the plunge for it. So 100% agr...
Well since you asked…
By: ZSHSZ : April 5th, 2024-13:23
As the forum knows I owned a couple of Lange’s and Pateks nothing super complicated,Dato. 1815chrono, L1moonphase, as well as Patek 5170G, 5130G, 5396G… As finishing goes at this level, Lange is superior due to the wider chamfers used, therefore more appe...
Reliability and accuracy?
By: Cozmopak : April 5th, 2024-21:45
That has not been my experience at all. Lange is the clear winner here in my experience.
Yes, Chopard is a good example too.
By: Jay (Eire) : April 6th, 2024-02:32
I think the general feeling that prompted the post was less Lange - Patek specific (I just happened to have a Lange on my wrist yesterday and so I referenced Lange and Patek). It was more a sense that even paying $30k/$40/$50k today doesn't get you a grea...
Lange makes really nice dress watches
By: yming : April 6th, 2024-13:53
I think the 1815 (in 40mm) is one of the nicest 3 hand watch. If patek launched a simple 3 hander with the design of the 5078g/5178g (with breguet numerals), then I will change my opinion about the 1815. The lange 1 is also nicer than any patek calatrava,...
Thanks Jay for the question of “value.”
By: Darron : April 7th, 2024-19:07
I have been happily following along between many of the different aspects of value and cost considerations. In a way, you are also challenging the value in this price range ($30-60k)in general. Cars come in mind as a natural choice; although I assume folk...