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I'll sound like a troll
but honestly, can somebody explain me these watches? I'm not talking about their design cause I understand this is a personal opinion. You might like them and you might hate them. just like some people probably don't like a Patek 2499.
But i do have a HUGE problem with their price. A cheap almost massively made RM costs almost the same as a Voutilainen or even close to a RW Smith ?
I had some RM in my hands the last years and I still don't get it. Their finishing is OK but imo no more than OK. And terrible compared with for example a Philippe Dufour which will cost you a fraction of the price. I was browsing thought a watchbook edition 2017 a couple of days ago and once again I was blown away with prices around 500K, 1 million and more.
And after more than 25 years of collection watches I really don't understand their prices.
Long long time ago they made advertisements like ' Richard Mille starting at ... ( a few hundred K). Almost all the other brands say ' price upon request' if a watch is considered to be expensive.
Is Richard Mille something like Vertu ? You get a mediocre product for an insane price but you don't care because the most important thing is that other people might recognize it and THEY know it is insane expensive. Many brands make sapphire cases today. Hublot for example has a few and they start at 50K. Bell & Ross even makes them. And more than 20 years ago Alain Silverstein made a sapphire case. I do understand there will be differences between these cases but how the hell can RM charge more than 1 million for a sapphire case? ONLY the case cause when I look at their tourbillon and their sapphire case tourbillon the price difference is over 1 million.
I believe their total year production is close to 3500 pieces, Voutilainen is between 40 and 80 and I think Smith will be 15 or so. We are not talking about something extremely rare with a huge production cost per piece, right ?
Again, I hope I did not insult anybody and don't want to be the troll of the month but why do I always think these watches should be 5 times cheaper than their price tag. After all these years I still don't get it so if I'm missing something please explain me.
A few recent releases and Chantilly Concours of Arts and Elegance this week-end
I noticed on RM's website a few recent models I didn't pay attention too lately, I thought I could share them today. RM11-02 Ceramic "Japan" edition: RM11-02 NTPT "Asia" edition: RM030 Blue Ceramic EMEA region edition: RM030 NTPT "Asia" edition: RM055 NTP...
Indeed, but this is I think a good thing for such a brand
People knowing RM from far, are not familiar with their products and volumes. They have been providing in their early period (they started in 2001 so this is quite recent) one model after another. Aesthetically, they were mainly gold followed by Titanium ...
Perfect response
Measured and informed - I need to commit this response to memory to use it when someone asks me a similar question about why I enjoy RM so much. The variety adds to the interest, and supports the development of new and exciting calibres. Thank you as alwa...
Hey Colton, thanks!
With such brand it is indeed a question, disccussion that comes often and I must say that I was thinking the same when I discovered the brand. That's why I take time to explain how to see it and then people can think about it, try them eventually and make...
I'll sound like a troll
but honestly, can somebody explain me these watches? I'm not talking about their design cause I understand this is a personal opinion. You might like them and you might hate them. just like some people probably don't like a Patek 2499. But i do have a HUG...
You got the point.
It is true that RM prices its pieces crazily and they definitely do not worth such amounts of money. However if people pays that prices... but as you said RM is a bit like Rolex, many buy them just to show they are wealthy for Rolex or very wealthy in cas...
This is totally understandable when coming from the traditional brands
The fist thing we look at (as I did when I started in watches and when I discovered RM for the first time around 2009) is the price point compared to traditional, established brands. The comparision is made on what these brands are known for: polishing (c...
Bruno doesn't like RM--I'm shocked. Not.
End of the day they are selling everyone at full price these days (hotter brand than even your beloved Patek). I guess I could go on Patek forum and say how much I hate dress watches, over priced sub-standard service times, etc. But I won't. Take care and...
everything is relative
I totally understand your point as I too find RM prices today to be ridiculous. however, I only feel that way about them because they are the most outrageous compared to the competition. now let's backtrack a bit. for people not into watches, a Rolex is c...
RM to me is all about comfort n ease of wearing..
I am not into the complications. I buy RM for the comfort on the wrist. I second Mr Richard Mille believe in luxury is ease of wear n comfort is priceless. I see RM basically have two different lines. One is complication/hi-tech n the other is comfort/lux...
I won't but have a good time there!
It will be a very nice Sunday activity for sure, if the weather is ok :p Best, Mark
It was an amazing event !
A picture of @easytowatch and me with the Parmigiani Fleurier Tonda and 2 two VIP RM ...
Excellent shot, thank you!
It seems you didn't have too much rain. I imagine the cars and events were great to attend. Thanks again Best, Mark
I dit not have the rain, lucky us !
It was my first time here, and I will come back. Cars, animations, planning, everything was perfect
I think we'll have official pictures soon, I'm eager to see them :)
I forgot to congratulate you for the Parmigiani, they are very interesting pieces and have a nice boutique in Paris. Thanks! Best, Mark
Indeed I am boutique manager of Parmigiani Fleurier in Paris :)
Best regards Matthieu
Very good dialogue in the comments Mark
you present a fair picture for the brand and its fans. I recently got to try a few RM pieces on at an AD thanks to the help of Padj and the lightness of construction & potential comfort are top class. Some personal ovservations: Both RM and FP Journe watc...
This is an interesting comparision
There are of course significant differences but the parallel is well spoted imho. I agree with all you said. The brand has brought a lot and, with its success (well deserved and based on the technical aspects) and considering the high price luxury market ...
Agree, Mark, RM need to be very smart about growth
NYTimes did an interview with Monsieur Mille back in March 2017 and it was indicated that RM will produce 4,000 watches this year. Two years ago it was reported 3,200 watches. That is 25% growth in two years which is phenomenal considering the worldwide s...
I see your enthusiasm for RM
and I understand tribalism in watch collecting where everyone really loves their favorite brand & gets fired up about it, but let's not categorically put down watches by cost or insinuate that there's something indignant about people who buy a watch that ...
I understand. I've had lunch with Papi, owned more AP's than I can count and know the whole history quite well :-) I see you are here to troll...so have at it. [nt]
No more replies from me in this thread...going down hill quickly. But I will say I enjoyed lunch with Papi--a true genius. ...
🤦♂️ huh I am not trolling
You missed the parts where I wrote that I think RM construction are top class and Richard Mille is envied for his success. You may be using the term troll too liberally. On PPro we can have passionate debates supported by facts and/or reasoned perspective...
sorry but what's the point
of posting the picture? if you want to make the point I think you want to make, at least post one where you are in it. LOL
Well, yes, they've been growing very quickly since the last 15 years or so
I think that this figure has to be also taken in the perspective of the growth in demand, considering they are known more and more. When I bought my RM035 in 2012, it was much less so and such brand becoming more and more famous leads to a demand that all...
You might be right
then again who really knows. The history of Swiss watchmaking is littered with glorious brands that have faced failure/decline after decades of success: Breguet, Blancpain, Angelus, Minerva to name a few I know about. Even the great maisons like Patek, AP...
I do not think FPJ would disappear, at least I hope not. Even though FPJ and RM are very different and in my opinion is difficult to make a comparison. Personally I would chose FPJ without hesitation, because the man is the most remarkable and eminent
Watchmaker of our times, which was able to develop its own design in his watches above all the mechanical wonders with which its watches are equipped. I am a huge fan of Indies not only classic-inspired brand like FPJ Laurent Ferrier and Moser but I also ...
Some of these new models look funky
Since Richard Mille doesn't make too many watches and models each year, I understand the logic of mixing and matching different materials and color combinations. However, some of these I feel are going a tad too far - too out there IMO. The color combinat...
Most of these models pictured have been out for a while.
RM is going a great job of controlling inventory and demand. They are all selling at full price and impossible to find. I love what RM is doing right now--and even raised the price by $20k on 011-03 NTPT before release. Making money hand over fist and spe...
Well, this is the kind of question we have quite regularly, with many brands indeed...
and especially when daring novelties are launched, whether the brand is traditional or Indy-like. I often ask myself when dealing with aesthetics, colors and other decoration markers, if this would look "normal" for someone with a completely different bac...