thoughts on "the two watch collection"

Dec 08, 2019,10:35 AM
 

I recently came across an online article called "the Two-Watch Collection," which imagines what the author (Ben Clymer) would keep if he winnowed his personal collection down to just two watches.  He chose the Lange 1815 chrono and the Patek 3940.  I've never met him, but he and I must have something in common, because this year I replicated his notional two-watch collection without quite meaning to do so.  In the spring, I came close to buying the Datograph, which was always a grail for me, but reluctantly decided that it overwhelmed my wrist.  A few months later I tried on the Dato's smaller, date-less sibling -- a first-generation 1815 Chrono -- and that one was irresistibly perfect.  Then last month, with a Patek gap in my collection for the first time in ten years, I got interested in current-production perpetual calendars -- particularly the blue-dial 5140P.  Many of you on this forum gently (or not-so-gently) guided me to that reference's predecessor, the 3940. I found a platinum model that checked every box.  




As Clymer noticed, each of these models is outstanding in its own right, but the whole is somehow greater than the sum of the parts.  Outside, you have perfect representatives of two design traditions: Swiss and teutonic.  Inside, you have two movements that help define modern watchmaking.  The ultra-thin 240 Q movement in the 3940 was Patek's defiant response to the quartz crisis in 1985.  And the in-house chrono movement in the 1815 Chrono marked Lange's triumphant reentry into the market a decade later (although it appeared first only in the Dato).  The Lange has no date function and specializes in measuring elapsed time to the fraction of a second.  The Patek has no seconds hand but can tell you the day, date, month, phase of the moon, and where you are in the four-year Gregorian cycle. 

I don't have a favorite between these two; each is stupendous in its own way.  The Patek fits my thin wrist somewhat better than the Lange, but that's the fault of my wrist, not the Lange, which is reasonably sized for a chrono:


The Lange is much easier to wear in rotation with other watches.  If it sits unwound for a few weeks, no big deal -- it takes maybe ten seconds to set the time.  The Patek is, well, a perpetual calendar.  

The platinum of the Patek's case is crisp and bright and gives the watch a sense of mass that alludes to the horological weight of the complications inside.


The Lange's case is made of the euphoric rose gold alloy that Lange has perfected better than any other watch brand I know of, and it really does warm the soul on cold winter days.  


Anyway, I look forward to many years of (bigamous) marital bliss with both watches.  Thanks for reading!  - Jon
  

  




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thanks, and understood...

 
 By: Chromatic Fugue : December 8th, 2019-15:19
These are obviously incredibly personal choices; everyone will have a different "two watch collection" (or a sense that two is never enough).

Just curious if that article was before the H website became a full blown AD? :)

 
 By: Clueless_Collector : December 8th, 2019-11:09
No question the two you have are one the best representative in their respective category. Like you, I prefer the 1815 Chrono and I have yet to find my dream PC because I intend to own just 1 of each complication to avoid redundancy but ironically we own ... 

thanks, and it's really just a fun thought exercise...

 
 By: Chromatic Fugue : December 8th, 2019-15:24
I have no intention of selling off my other watches. Everything on your list appeals to me, particularly the bracelet sports watch (see my answer to someone else below). That said, I could die happy even without ever owning a world time (I don't do enough... 

thanks for sharing !

 
 By: mahesh : December 8th, 2019-11:42
interesting... Ben Clymer owns a Philippe Dufour he neither choose it nor the speedy that was a gift from his grandfather (which was eventually the story behind start of H) ! may be his thoughts were not for his own 2 watch collection ;-) Best, mahesh.,

yep, as I said ...

 
 By: Chromatic Fugue : December 8th, 2019-15:26
I don't know him and have no idea what's in his collection, which I assume is impressive. But his article did resonate with me -- but after, not before, I ended up with these two references in my collection.

i understand...your chosen 2 pcs are impeccable - my personal fav being the 1815 Chrono...one thing probably....

 
 By: mahesh : December 9th, 2019-02:43
you should make it as 3 watch collection in this case - a beater is an absolute must, Steel or Titanium or anything that you can wear to most activity without much 2nd thought. i recollect even Roger Smith has a kind of 'only watch', the Explorer 1 - make... 

It does indeed...

 
 By: Chromatic Fugue : December 9th, 2019-05:21
I won’t actually be winnowing my collection down to two watches for quite some time, if ever. In the meantime I have a couple of very nice steel watches — and a couple of plastic Garmin watches too, come to think of it.

I hear you!

 
 By: Chromatic Fugue : December 8th, 2019-15:28
For me, if I had to choose one, it would be the 3940, but that's probably just a function of having just bought it.

Somehow the last purchase is the first among equals....

 
 By: chk : December 9th, 2019-01:32
A perpetual calendar is nice too. ...  

Very nice!

 
 By: Chromatic Fugue : December 9th, 2019-05:15
5196?

Wait wait don’t tell me ...

 
 By: Chromatic Fugue : December 9th, 2019-05:22
... not a 5196 ...

Don’t credit Patek with a “defiant “ response to the “Quartz Crisis “.

 
 By: TheMadDruid : December 8th, 2019-12:00
They fully participated in the move to quartz movements and made a hell of a lot of money doing so. The two watches you chose for a “two watch “ collection are as worthy as any two you could pick. But your very choices prove that a two watch collection is... 

That's hard to beat. [nt]

 
 By: TheMadDruid : December 9th, 2019-16:13

Great photos, sensational!

 
 By: jkvs : December 8th, 2019-12:11
Your choice is absolutes brilliant and easy to understand. Both of the watches can hardly be topped, and they represent Swiss and German watchmaking at its very, very best. I made my choice the other way round: a perpetual calendar from Lange and a chrono... 

That sounds delightful ...

 
 By: Chromatic Fugue : December 8th, 2019-15:31
Please post photos!

This is a great post.

 
 By: Brandon Skinner : December 8th, 2019-12:14
I love your photography and your reasoning behind choosing this pair as a perfect 2 watch collection. Personally, I would also choose the 1815 Chrono over the Datograph as well. This for sure is a dynamic duo but I can’t imagine living without at least on... 

Thanks! It would be the 116500 ...

 
 By: Chromatic Fugue : December 8th, 2019-15:32
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Hmm.

 
 By: TheMadDruid : December 8th, 2019-12:57
How did you know??

Oh no...Vacheron Constantin just became a lower tier brand :) ?

 
 By: Clueless_Collector : December 8th, 2019-13:10
So are Bulgari, Omega and Grand Seiko who appointed them as AD?

Well...I don't consider VC "low tier", but today I certainly consider it on a "lower tier" than Patek and quite a few other brands -- including VC herself in the past ;-)

 
 By: FabR : December 8th, 2019-14:40
And most other brands Hodinkee is proudly an AD of are also quite obviously lower tier, I think there's no doubt about that. Maybe it's just me my friend, but I simply cannot envision Patek or other top brands deciding to sell their watches on 'the H'. Bu... 

Not a lot of professors can afford a 5131P and 2 Specialty PPs plus other watches :)

 
 By: Clueless_Collector : December 8th, 2019-16:38
And I’m sure even some high white collar executive crave for those 3 PPs so congrats to you Fab. Think about why co-branding become a H-uge thing now? It’s all due to skyrocketing auction prices and people (Not you and me but many again, deep pocket ones)... 

Thanks my friend...

 
 By: FabR : December 8th, 2019-18:07
Just to avoid misunderstandings (Italians who are self-made and not financially supported by their families are particularly proud of their rare condition.. ), I was entirely accurate when I said that I buy all my watches (and clothes, vacations, etc. etc... 

That's interesting...

 
 By: destrodan : December 8th, 2019-16:42
...I went the other way, and now consider Patek a tad lower tier than VC in the modern era (I recently sold off my Pateks and picked up a couple of VCs instead). Of course I believe they're both on par at the higher end of their ranges. I know VC is not t... 

Thanks for your perspective, I appreciate it. In the end, it all comes down to what makes us happier, and to what are our parameters are when we make an informed decision...

 
 By: FabR : December 8th, 2019-18:18
If you chose to move from Patek to VC because in your opinion this latter satisfied certain criteria better than Patek did, then I think that, by definition, you've made a good choice. I'm not into VC for a number of reasons, but I have no doubt that thei... 

Thanks for your reply which resonates with me. We all have our reasons...

 
 By: destrodan : December 8th, 2019-19:27
...and if we can find a brand or two that put a smile on our face for the long term we should count ourselves lucky (I've been in the game for a number of decades now and have refined my value positions many times along the way). I've considered the 5320 ... 

On the contrary, destrodan

 
 By: TheMadDruid : December 9th, 2019-16:12
Ben Clymer is probably the biggest fan of Patek west of Thierry Stern. All his dream watches are Pateks.

I don't know Ben or anyone else at Hodinkee ...

 
 By: Chromatic Fugue : December 8th, 2019-15:34
As we say in the US, I have no dog in this fight. I just liked the article.

I had a Royal Oak Chrono once ...

 
 By: Chromatic Fugue : December 8th, 2019-15:36
... and the movement was unreliable. I sold it and went with a Rolex 116500 (pictured above), and I've never looked back.

Your wish is my command ...

 
 By: Chromatic Fugue : December 8th, 2019-15:38
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10/10 PERFECTION!!!! ABSOLUTELY AMAZING!!!!

 
 By: Patek_3944 : December 8th, 2019-15:21
WOW WOW WOW...... What can I say..... 2 pieces.... DONE AND DUSTED I so wish I could do the same........ but I have mental problems...... ...  

thank you! [nt]

 
 By: Chromatic Fugue : December 8th, 2019-15:38

Impecable duo!

 
 By: Robert65 : December 9th, 2019-16:59
You cover EVERY possible occasion with those two beauties. And each piece is an outstanding ambassador for their house. Enjoy your collection!

Terrific write-up and photos as usual!

 
 By: Rhyzen : December 15th, 2019-16:00
I'm obviously partial to the 1815 chrono myself, and if I ever have to narrow my collection to two pieces, it will definitely be one of it.