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The difference between the RETAIL price of 5170J and 5170G
... appears to fit the pattern that Patek has traditionally charged for a J versus a G, as dr kol has noted.
However that is an apples-to-apples comparison of the RETAIL prices of the two pieces. What dr kol seems to be discussing above (and please correct me if I'm wrong) would be the spread between what he would have to pay if he bought a NEW 5170G by selling his CURRENT 5170J at prevailing prices in the secondary market for pre-owned pieces. As such, he is bringing up questions like "why might a pre-owned 5170J be trading at such a discount versus retail" and "if the 5170J was discontinued, would secondary market prices begin to rise, as with previous discontinued models."
But - such discussions are most likely best left to other forums, and is probably not appropriate here!
Patek Philippe 2013 Baselworld novelties - High society ... - next chapter
"High society" ... "watch burger" ... ... or "spooning" ... ... came to my mind, after creating the above pictures Seriously, most of you have already seen the novelties below. Some of you already fall in love and some mentioned not to be impressed. On th...
Ref. 5227
It´s predecessor is the 5127 and I would like to compare them. The case is only 2mm bigger. The dial, the hands and the date look similar. But the indexes are different , there is only one at 12 and the crown protector s are gone. Anything else? Yes, look...
Good thing the crown protectors are gone
More classical as before. A nice classical Patek, would be better even without date imho. Br, Dirk
I liked the crown guard of the 5127. Regardless, what's up with the price?
I think the crown guard made the 5127 appear less "generic". I'm disappointed to see it go. I'm also disappointed with Patek's pricing... It's going up and up, without justification beyond marketing. $37,300 list price for a simple Calatrava? Are you kidd...
This is the one that caught my attention most.....
i think it is sexy...almost more feminine
38 mm would have been enough, possibly
Looking forward to see it soon and to judge better, but maybe it is just right as it comes with the hinged back. Learned the retail price for it: you were right to say: High society ... unbelievably steep price, I must say. Best Moritz
I played with that watch in all three golds
and I must say it's quite nice. Would I get it? No! In my opinion 5153 represents better the history of Patek. The hinged back has been offered with straight lugs and a bigger crown. The new 5227 is not an officers' watch - it's just a nice Calatrava with...
Yes: forgott to say also...
... that it is not a officers watch, but comes with a same back. Possibly some "modern" approach to a classic theme, possibly "added value" or something similar. But as they can see: it can make an enthusiast wonder. 5153 is very sad in WG, I must say, ve...
At least the new one has a very valuable hingred
back... Ref. 5159 is too messy for me and 5059 too small. I have been considering 5059 P many times and even now I have a new one in the sight but can't make up my mind. Next Monday will show and you will hear something next week. Best, kari
Ref. 5200G
This one is new and doesn´t replace anything from the collection. It comes with two di fferent dial options , but both of them in white gold. Some detaills/parts look familiar, but that is not a mistake from my point of view. For comparison I would like t...
This one is difficult
Like the 8 days more as the new one (dial, case), but I do agree that the movement layout looks better on the new one. Dirk
Yes, but the inspiration is close, with a bit less of character, compared to the
Mythic 5100... Strange game. Best, Nicolas.
I own the 5100g and...
I prefer the the 5100 for the following: The numerals and darts The equal balance between top and bottom of dial. I find too much oversize on the lower half of the new one The blue color of the dial. But that may not be fair until I see the new one in the...
Question on the triple bridge
Did they change the three bridges on the lower left of the movement so they are now part of a single piece? In the 5100, you can see the perlage beneath the bridges; however, in the 5200, it looks like the bridges are joined by a uniform baseplate. John
Infact there are only two bridges ...
like you can see here. I don´t know that much about the "old" movement of the Ref. 5100, but I see that PP managed to keep the same dimensions. This time we see an in s pir ed (by Ref. 5100 from 2000) but new developed movement with additional complicatio...
I see...
Somewhat disappointing, since the train bridge is styled as three separate bridges yet is only one. Thanks for answering my question. Regards, John
Viisual effect
Hello, I heard from the UK Patek representative that they did this 'tromp l'oeil" effect to keep a visual continuity between the 2 movements, since people were so familiar with the the older model. I can't remember where it was, but there was another watc...
Thanks for the info.....
Quite disappointed to see such faux bridge arrangement on such a movement. Understandably, the designer has to make space for the day-date quickset mechnism right underneath on the dial side, but still..... This is not something new. I have seen quite a f...
Visual effect´s ...
Hi Theodore, thanks for your reply and it is good to read you here. If we talk about visual effect´s, we should not forget to ask about the reasons behind. Off-topic: Maybe it´s hard to believe for anybody who is observing the watch industry today, that t...
Aesthetics? Where are the gold chaton jewel settings?
PP made a fuss about the gold chaton jewel settings on the 10-day 5100 when it was introduced, claiming more hand work and superior aesthetics (same for the 5101). Interesting that those are missing in the new 5200, yet we have a three bridge illusion to ...
Question...
First of all, many thanks for these pictures and explanations. To be honest, I got something strong in my mind looking at the 5200G blue dial. Did you try it on your wrist ? Your impressions ? Any wristshot with the blue dial ? Thanks a lot.
Ref. 5170G
No crystal ball was needed to see that there will be another version of the 5170 some time soon and the white gold case was not a big surprise as well. People (me included) exptected to see the same dial and just a different metal. Breguet figures are not...
From the picture, much better than the YG, according to my own tastes.
Still, I much prefer the 5070, in any metal. I am still a bit disappointed but the fact that the two subdials are not totally at the middle of a 3 / 9 o' clock line. And much prefer the bezel, the case, lugs and movement of the 5070, without speaking of t...
Ditto
Bit, i have to give a big plus to the new movement. The juices for me are in the 5070 case and dial. Best, Joe
Ditto
Bit, i have to give a big plus to the new movement. The juices for me are in the 5070 case and dial. Best, Joe
As I said to someone else:
Usually I prefer Roman numerals but here I'm really enthusiastic about the Breguet figures on the WG version. Excited to see it in the metal soon.
I like it much better with the Breguet numbers...
I don't know but it looks more balanced to me. Cheers, Francois
I think it may be because...
The breguet numerals go all the way around - instead of the mixture of stick markers And Roman numerals for the 5170j. So looks a bit more balanced to my eye as well. I too actually like the 5170g quite a bit - it's very beautiful...
I prefer the 5170 in the white metal...
.....as you say, such a watch needs to be seen in the flesh, but my initial response is that it has more to it that the first offering. The yellow metal always seemed to me to be a little clinical. The white gold has more feel to it...i think the dial sui...
The white metal is nice.
But the numerals spoil it for me. I could imagine a platinum version with a black dial and roman numerals - but that could be called daydreaming :-) Best regards Georg
Exactly the same to me! Too old fashioned to me.
The G case and dial is nice, but I am not convinced by the Breguet numerals. I wish it was like the J with baton indexes!
I had yesterday 5170G on my wrist
and it is a beautiful watch. However, it is clearly a doctor's watch. Very clinical and goes well with white coat - I mean it does not pop out from the wrist. The dial is a bit busy but at the same time somehow flat. I would rather have G than J. But woul...
Now I am even more interested ...
to see the watch. Kari, what do you mean with 20k plus? Don´t tell me the G version comes with that premium price tag ... Thanks for your first impressions, straight from Basel! Oliver
No, it does not have such an additional price
What I mean is that selling my 5170J on the 2nd hand market would mean that I have to put around 20k additional to get the G. It might be up to 30k... However, I am sure that we will hear quite soon that the J is discontinued... I am not sure at all that ...
Are you sure of the difference of price? That would be the first time patek charges
So much for the white gold version, compared to the YG. As for the flatness of the dial, I will have to see and check that. Thanks for your first impressions! Nicolas
Nico, I agree with you and at the same time
I refer to my answer to Oliver. I checked the price lists and the price difference between J an G was "normal". Are the prices "normal" anymore, is another question. Best, Kari
The difference between the RETAIL price of 5170J and 5170G
... appears to fit the pattern that Patek has traditionally charged for a J versus a G, as dr kol has noted. However that is an apples-to-apples comparison of the RETAIL prices of the two pieces. What dr kol seems to be discussing above (and please correc...
Ref. 5539G
The 5539 replaces the 5339 , even when they look very different. Both are 37mm an d have the cal. RTO 27 PS inside . Bo th are typical watches from Patek Philippe, at its best. Only the new one sings louder to me, much louder. Is there anything I would ch...
A killer but,
Removing the tourby would reduce the price big time. Also maybe thinner. Still a great piece. Joe
Ref. 5980 R and AR
Wow, those are really impressive! Have we seen something like this before? From Patek Philippe? Yes, we have ... (Picture credit: internet) ... seen that kind of style before (Ref. 3700 ). Understated? For sure not! Cool? Yes, über cool! ...
Great report, It'll be interesting to see if two tone
comes back into vogue. I still have a difficult time accepting two tone and and feel it's somewhat like gold filled.
Perfect maritime watch: finally a two tone again
And even rose/steel ... a lovely mood is comming there from this watch! The 5980 was never a thought for me but this one: nice. Perfect would a 5711 AR as understated. 5170 G: brilliant. The 5200 G looks cheap, sorry. The other alterations are all verry, ...
One of the interesting ones
The combo black dial/RG as I saw it on some early pictures on the net is a true success. The nice combo really brings something more, something that was missing. Mark
Just came back from Basel ...
and a hell of work (watches & real life) is waiting, but I wanted share something with you: This is the best use of "tons" of red gold I know :-) Don´t know the exact weight, but the heaviest watch I own is 203g and this one felt even more solid. It s...
That´s all for now ...
... because it doesn´t make that much fun to look at "press pictures" only. I tried to work with them and to use them as a start, because I know most of us are not patient enough until we get the "real thing" - me included. Hope you liked the little overv...
Thank you!
Can't wait to see some pictures.. I am patiently waiting as I know they will be drool worthy.
Quiet year...
No standout favorites. The 5539 is a favorite, but not a possibility for even most of the top 1%. Really like the 5130J, but still love the 5130R and P models. The 5116R is nice, but the G is the one I'd wear. The 5227 still isn't as good as the 5127 in m...
Thanks Oliver for your early thoughts..........
And a chance for us to comment on the new releases. I do like the slightly larger 5227 & the opening case back is a nice & surprising feature, though personally I do like the seamless shoulders of the 5127 I looking forward to seeing actual photos...
Impressive indeed
Maybe that is one of Patek's strengh: being able to provide a wide offer without disturbing their fans and seeming bringing too much novelties. Nice point of view Oliver ;) Cheers, Mark
My compliments once more Oliver
You certainly know how to make a post special.... Well done my friend I really enjoyed this. Mo