Josephlemma
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Please don't send me hate mail for writing this
Am I the only one who thinks that it is a sacrilege for Patek to be using Lemania movements in their 5970 and 5004 lines? Just a thought...
Maybe that explains why the 5970 is relatively cheap compared to the 3499...

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Hard to compare
By: Dje : October 20th, 2009-02:28
Hi, I would not compare so easily a 2499 to a 5970 -produced at different times in history of watchmaking and watch market- but I can remind that the 2499 calibre was based on a Valjoux calibre, like the 5970 calibre is based on a Lemania calibre! Rarity ...