Patek Philippe

The Lange 1815 Chrono has a black dial, but depending on the lighting it can look more navy than the 5712. ...  

But it's the 5170 and 5172 😉

But I prefer the refined design and finishing of the PP cases. The Lange cases are more or less all the same

You can add Cdv and Minerva to that group too. 😁

Best, Emmanuel

But here, the Patek clearly runs circles around Lange just on the basis of the dial complexity not mentioning the cases…

All three suffer from the same droopy subdials. Lange movement is a little above Patek, but certainly not by a lot. Case work on 5170 is a little simple for me. The 5172 is brilliant, not just the triple-stepped lugs, also the sides are more complex then ... 

Let’s see your wrist shots !

1815chrono 5170 more 5170 5172 move ...  

I looked very closely at the Lange 1815 chrono (early and current versions) but couldn't love the case nor dial. The 5170 (breguet numerals) won easily in those areas. I thought the 5172 dial was unnecessarily large and thought that size might not age wel...