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I would like to ask you a question
Jan 31, 2019,01:18 AM
I understand that you give what is to you an honest opinion. Do you understand that there is a difference between (your honest) opinion and what is good advise?
Or is the two always the same for you. Is your honest opinion always good advise?
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anyone here have a black dialled 3970?
By: watch-guy.com : January 28th, 2019-23:21
I saw one today Looks great but the dial legibility is a big issue Any thoughts? Julian PS does this issue also occur with 5970 black dial??
I have it, but only in picture. Credit: A Collected Man.
By: amanico : January 28th, 2019-23:42
I never saw the 3970P Black in the flesh, so I couldn't tell you, but I saw several 5970P in the metal and I had no issues with legibility. I was stuck on the dial as flies on honey... ...
In all honesty...
By: Cpt Scarlet : January 29th, 2019-01:57
Who cares about absolute clarity when you have a 5970P on your wrist, it’s about so much more.
I did to be honest it really annoyed me.
By: Miles_151 : January 29th, 2019-02:02
I think I just have a problem with this particular colour dial combination as I really struggled to see any of the detail on the dial. M.
LOL [nt]
By: Cpt Scarlet : February 6th, 2019-03:08
No issue at all for me
By: Baron - Mr Red : January 29th, 2019-02:32
I find the clarity on the 5970P has never been an issue for me. I find dark dials to be the most preferable combination with white metal. The aesthetic contrast adds a clarity in itself.
I know we differ on this point J.
By: Miles_151 : January 29th, 2019-02:40
I wish I had your eyes. The exact reason I couldn’t live with the 5970p is the reason you love it so much. Great hobby this. M.
For me....
By: Baron - Mr Red : January 29th, 2019-02:54
it is one of the things Patek do especially well. When I look at my collection, I have some vintage pieces with a cream dial and the more modern stuff is almost exclusively white metal and black/blue dial. Its what I think a Patek should look like. But th...
Black dial 3970
By: lascases : January 29th, 2019-00:18
Reading the time is not difficult, the dial is quite bright in day light (much brighter than on images). The sub dials are a bit more difficult to read, but they are also on silver dial versions. Main problem is the small numbers/text.
I really struggled with my 5970p reading the time.
By: Miles_151 : January 29th, 2019-00:37
This is why I am not a fan of Patek black dials. For me I loose so much of the dial detail and struggle every time I look at a black Patek dial. Could just be my eyes. M.
Yes good illustration.
By: Miles_151 : January 30th, 2019-00:04
My eyes look at the G can quickly tell the time and at the same time take in all the detail on the dial and make the decision yes I love how this looks for all the reasons we know. I look at the P and my brain just struggles to know what time it is and wh...
Yes I'm with you.
By: Miles_151 : January 29th, 2019-05:30
To my eyes it looks too busy in a way it just doesn’t in any other colour. Maybe that’s a better way of expressing myself. And believe me I wanted this not to be the case soooooo much. M.
Hi Miles,
By: @WatchesandWristshots : January 29th, 2019-18:24
personally I absolutely agree what you stated. Would be curious to know if the other people on this forum actually agree with this Patek black dial 'readability thing'? I have it too. Not that I can't appreciate them, I certainly very much like some refer...
Thank you H
By: Miles_151 : January 29th, 2019-23:54
I’m glad I’m not the only one with funny eyes or more likely the only one who will admit the 5970p is not the easiest on the eye 😉 It took me years. M.
Miles 151
By: guruvandergullik : January 30th, 2019-01:03
You seem to be quite expert in being critic of watches that you no longer seem to own. I think best policy is not to critic. If you find you can't see dial so clear, maybe you are over 50 and need glasses maybe?
Firstly thank you so much for the recognition of being an Expert.
By: Miles_151 : January 30th, 2019-03:29
But you have no idea of what I do and don’t own. With regard to your accusations of being a critic of Watches “I don’t seem to own” is concerned you are way off the mark. Over the last 30 years of collecting I have had many watches and still do that I am ...
Yes
By: guruvandergullik : January 30th, 2019-03:43
Being able to give a balanced view is everything and also what I heard is good about this forums. With you it seems that you feel you can express your opinions about other watches that you do not own or no longer owning. When others give critic of watches...
New member
By: guruvandergullik : January 30th, 2019-05:49
Yes i did join recently. This forum was recommended by a friend who said that collectors liked this forum as it was a place to discuss watches in a humble and not showy way. I stumble on you and think that maybe my friend had made mistake as you seem quit...
You are actually.
By: Miles_151 : January 30th, 2019-06:00
But luckily not the first to thank me for my honest opinion and advise over many years and taking the time to pass on years of experience for free without any agenda or gain. I think you may be right that this forum is not for you. M.
If you enter a forum
By: lascases : January 30th, 2019-10:58
as a new member you should avoid to be offensive. Just my opinion...
Agreed basic manners.
By: Miles_151 : January 30th, 2019-11:54
I have never personally attacked anyone in any watch community or would I dream of doing so. But I have always spoken my mind and been honest. Luckily I’ve had a positive effect on more than I’ve had a negative effect on. M.
I would like to ask you a question
By: guruvandergullik : January 31st, 2019-01:18
I understand that you give what is to you an honest opinion. Do you understand that there is a difference between (your honest) opinion and what is good advise? Or is the two always the same for you. Is your honest opinion always good advise?
A shame the thread has gone off track.
By: Conkers : January 30th, 2019-22:42
I love my black dialled Pateks. I don’t have a huge problem with legibility of them although with my deteriorating eyesight sadly I do need to use glasses a lot of the time.
Some pictures
By: ChristianDK : February 5th, 2019-15:41
hi Julian Sorry I’m late for the post. I played with this one. These pictures are terrible, but they where just quick iPhone snaps in a store. This one is with diamond markers, but it does give you a reasonable Idea of the legibility. For reading time, it...
The reflections
By: lascases : February 6th, 2019-03:09
of daylight helps a lot!
I think it works like this....
By: Baron - Mr Red : February 6th, 2019-03:22
We all have specific likes and dislikes. Those specific likes and dislikes reflect who we are and are very specific to each person. I think problems arise when people assume that what works for them is some sort of fact that can be applied to others. I lo...
I don’t...
By: keks : February 6th, 2019-22:51
But had the pleasure of handling one today... what a marvel! Spectacular piece! Love the glossy dial and would not worry about legibility. Personally think in normal lighting no issues but in a darker setting could be a little challenging on my eyes to re...