Moka-Tiger (Ron)
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I am the OP and thanks for the feedback
As this is my first foray into an older Patek, all of your feedback gives me more direction on how to approach Option 1 and Option 2.
So far I have only seen the watch online. It looks beautiful in pics, but could be disappointing when on the wrist.
I never buy without box and papers, and I know the Certificate of Origin is the better paper. The Archives I thought would add some benefit in lieu of the Origin.
But several of you feel it's not much of a benefit, so hence the cheaper price of Option 2.
I was of the opinion that PP overhaul papers also would add value, since PP would not touch the watch if there were any issues as to its authenticity.
Maybe I am mistaken.
I am friendly with some watch dealers in town and will go talk with them about their opinion too on Origin vs. Archives.
Option 1 is in my city and I am planning to see it in person this week and find out more about the watch if possible.
Option 2 is quite a distance away, but a reputable watch dealer in business for more years than the age of watch.
I will have the dealer send clearer pics of the overhaul papers and look at the details.
Half the fun of watch collecting is the search and finding the right one, and the other half is wearing it.
Thanks again. I appreciate your thoughts.
Buying with Certificate of Origin vs. Extract from Archives??
I am considering purchasing a 25-year-old Calatrava. This will be my first purchase of a "semi-vintage?" PP watch. I found 2 options that are in excellent condition. (Both are the same model.) Option 1) "Certificate of Origin", brand-new PP strap, paper P...
I always feel
that if a certificate of origin accompanies an older Patek watch, chances are the owner may have kept it in better condition than one where the certificate of origin is missing. I personally keep every box and documentation that accompanies a watch but so...
To get an extract you must produce a coherent package to patek.
Sure extract is second best but still proves solid verification. You must produce the case serial and the movement serial as well as five pictures of the watch including the strap/bracelet. Patek will check to see that what you provide corresponds to how ...
I am the OP and thanks for the feedback
As this is my first foray into an older Patek, all of your feedback gives me more direction on how to approach Option 1 and Option 2. So far I have only seen the watch online. It looks beautiful in pics, but could be disappointing when on the wrist. I nev...
Option A !!!!
A) you know the dealer and can try on the watch not just see pics of the watch! B) when a watch has the papers, it means it comes from someone who took well care of the watch and cared for it! C) it can’t be copied papers vs a archives can be touched the ...
Thanks for the input,
Now I have to check watch A this week and see its condition and if it has any overhaul history in 25 years.
Papers !
I would pay more for a watch with the original papers because that, for me, is the icing on the cake. I cannot comment on the deal without knowing when the watch with papers had it's last service, how old it is, what the price difference exactly is OR wha...
Thanks and I completely undertand. I have never bought a watch without papers....
This time I was wondering about the importance. Both A and B are 25 years old. Paper is icing on the cake for A, but I am wondering if it has ever been overhauled in 25 years. I am planning to go check this week, if the watch is still available.
If it is semi vintage...you should be able to find one in mint condition with original certificate and box.
I would find one with original certificate and box in mint condition if it semi vintage (unless, it is some rare version). If it is vintage from 40's to 60's, then you don't have the luxury to wait for one to pop up. best luck.
Thanks for the comments. It is from 1997
I went to look at Option 1 and bought it today. It's beautiful and in excellent condition. I have bought from this dealer in town 3 times now. Very knowledgeble and his watches sell quickly. The watch will arrive on Friday. It is fate because Option 2 sol...
congrats
good decision, if u purchased option 2 , you will always cringe whenever u see another one w/ original certificate.
Choices
I will assume you trust both sellers equally, then it comes down to some math and an assessment of the current condition of the watch. In general there is a discount for a watch that lacks original papers, what this discount is depends on the watch. For a...
You are correct about 15-20% difference in price. 20% is exact! Thanks for the input
In the end I went with the one with the Certificate of Origin because I had no Option 2. That was due to circumstances, like luck or devine intervention by god (ha ha), because the cheaper one with Archives sold on Sunday. After yours and everyone's comme...