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I'm not sure but I think that it would be rare and extraordinary for that to happen?
Thank you for the compliment on the collection of 4. I'm not a dealer and don't really know how things work, ... but I talked to a cloisonné artist in NYC and she told me she makes about 3-4 dials in the course of a YEAR! So the release of the /1p-001, for instance, had to be planned well in advance in order to have a reasonable amount of product available for the obvious demand that would exist the minute pictures hit the website. 5131's are application pieces so there will be far fewer watches than dealers wanting to sell them ... and the dealers that get cloisonné pieces in their allocation probably have a pretty reasonable pipeline of clients who they can depend on buying and never selling these coveted pieces?
That is indeed a very nice gathering :)
First, congratulations for building up this collection, this must be a real pleasure and pride to be able to admire these dials and wear them from time to time. Thanks for sharing and wear them well! Best, Mark
Dream come true? Fantastic collection.
Would love to own them all myself. Are all bought new from AD ?
Thank You
No after market purchases ... and although I'm very happy there was no dream to come true. Hahaha ... I wish I had that kind of foresight? To be honest, I never had any plan to have all four ... just purchased each piece based on its individual beauty/cha...
That's a great strategy to adopt imho :)
You go towards what you enjoy most at one moment. Best, Mark
Beautiful to see all 4 together. Congratulations!! You have elevated "stumbling" into a fine art!
Very curious, how do you rate them in term of personal preference? Related question, the platinum is markedly different from the others, both in terms of having a bracelet and a World view from the pole. Do the bracelet and pole view add to or detract fro...
Preference
All four metals possess their own special attributes ... and for me it really depends on what I'm wearing for the day? I will say that the Platinum Reference has the best dial of the four. I also believe that the 5131/1P-001 is currently Patek's only refe...
Thank you for your detailed and extremely interesting viewpoint. What is most interesting to me
is that for you platinum dial is the best. I was wondering how the platinum dial, which is so different from the other 3, would stack up. Also, your comment about the bracelet rings true to me. Glad that all are getting wrist time. They are truly works of...
Fantastic magic quadrants !
Huge congrats, hope they all get a fair wrist time 😉 Cheers, Mike
Is your last name Stern?!?
Collecting the whole set is just amazing. Which metal is your favourite?
Platinum Reference
Not because of the metal ... but because the dial is the best of the four. The 5131/1P-001 is pretty heavy ... but not too heavy ... but heavy enough that I would not consider it an everyday watch. One definitely knows it's on the wrist!
Huge congrats on the completion of a grail series (IMO) !
The enamel lover in me can just stare at that photo and dream all day & night ! Since you mentioned earlier that you got some pieces from the secondary market, I would love to hear your journey on which metal you selected first and how that first one ...
No Secondary Market
I don't have a problem with the secondary market, ... I just prefer to purchase watches NEW from an AD. I wish I could elaborate a great journey in assembling my collection of 5131's, but it was simply having patience and applying for each reference when ...
From one obsessive to another...
bravo and well done! That is very impressive and I'm sure you feel a sense of deep satisfaction. Out of curiosity do you collect other complications aside from world timers? Best regards
Beauty!
First of all, congratulation on the collection. May I ask a question about the 5131J. It seems there is a white cap shown in the north pole area of the dial in the J. I have never seen this before as this was feature of the R and possibly G ( I don't have...
You Have a Great Eye
For many years my favorite metals were Platinum and White Gold. As a result, I actually purchased my "J" AFTER the "G" ... and the "J" actually started my collection of many other Yellow and Rose Gold references. Hahaha ... having the "G" and seeing the "...
Together
they look sublime! A first photo and viewing of all four together I believe and a lovely Zegna case too Congratulations on your efforts in securing all four!
Firstly....congratulations
To have managed to collect all four shows not just passion....but determination too! Massive congratulations to you. I often think of the 5131s in a similar way to the 5070s in the sense that there is only one iteration of each metal and each metal has a ...
Congratulations for this stunning collection of a really historical reference.
P.s. the Zegna watch holder is gorgeous either. Best.
You obviously LIKE enamel😄
Congratulations and wear them in the best of health. Best, Ahmed
This just proves that...
You can be allocated a P even if you have the other 5131 models.
I read the owners post once again.
Due to a lack of punctuation, it can be read either way. Not so sure if bought from AD or gray.
Only from AD
Sorry about any confusion. I don't purchase watches from the Secondary or Gray Market. In all four cases an application was submitted on my behalf by the AD and we waited patiently for delivery.
No problem, thanks for bringing the info
You know what it is, many members are trying to get some of these pieces and such info is always "interesting"! I'm glad you have this relationship with your AD and that you could gather and wear them all. That's the right place for them instead of a safe...
You're Right ...
... watches are meant to be worn ... but I'm thinking that most all of us Patek enthusiasts put our timepieces into some sort of a safe when they're not on the wrist. Lol
Hi Joe and others, I read again meansolartime's original answer to FRAM's question on whether the four 5131s were all bought from ADs. It is now clear to me that...
there was a misunderstanding. Owner answered "No after market purchases" which we incorrectly interpreted as No (they were not all purchased from ADs), after market purchases (were made to complete the set) The owner meant to say that he did not buy any f...
I'm still waiting on mine...
I've been placed on the wait list at the AD since the first 5131G and J were released....have not received any allocation for this ref as of 2008...almost 10 years! You must have an impressive collection for Patek to release ALL four watches to you...Cong...
I have no idea how it works ...
... but I think loyalty on the buyers part for both Patek Philippe and the AD is helpful in realizing application pieces. Also, ... I'm not sure if this makes a difference or not, but I only purchase new from my AD, and I've never re-sold a watch?
i am sure that is correct......
.....i suspect that each collector has his own personal relationship with an AD and with Patek. Each personal relationship will be different and how it unfolds in terms of allocation will be relatively unique. To be fair, each of these personal relationsh...
I agree with you, we quite understand now how things naturally work
and everyone can try to discuss with his own AD on a private basis. Best, Mark
--- your AD
It might make him allocate you a watch Edit: Hi Jonrus, I just edited your title as I wish the original poster doesn't feel in a wrong position with his picture used as a leverage towards ADs. Each of us know that it seems to depend also on the client's p...
I appreciate your action
More importantly, ... I don't think what I assume is jonrus' suggestion would be very helpful? I don't have any special knowledge, but if the roles were reversed and I was the AD I'm quite certain I would not respond to pressure/guilt. In my specific case...
You too!
When I applied for the 5131R I ordered a Burgundy strap for it. This strap modification helps further differentiate the 5131R from the 5131J. The Rose Gold Case and Burgundy Strap also pairs quite well with a Cordovan Shoe/Blue Suit combination. I see you...
5131/1P is fabulous
I do not know how much I like the P before I owned it. The heft of 5131/1P makes me feel like a man. I tried to take 5131/1P off from my wrist, but I put it on my wrist again after I tried different model of watches. Two 5131/1P on the wrist is too heavy ...
Excellent Strap Change
Love the strap change on the 5131R. Perfect with a Cordovan shoe!
I only have one 5131/1P.
Another one belongs to my friend. Just like to enjoy the watches.
5131/1P Feeling
Try to put 5131/1P on your wrist for a week or a month. Then you can real feel how much you will like the watch.
Simply fantastic!
I heard in Geneva that there will come also the new WT with enamel dial. Will you collect also that? Best, Kari
Maybe?
I'm really not a World Time or Cloisonné collector. I just happened to find the 4 dials depicting parts of the globe paired with Patek's World Time complication a combination that makes sense at the same time as being very attractive. I think if they made...
Secret?
What's the secret to buying just one of these through an authorized channel? They are gorgeous. I've had no luck!
I don't know?
I would think comprehensively supporting the Patek brand and having loyalty to your AD is a good start. Also, I suspect that reselling an application piece (to anyone other your AD for the purposes of trading up) is probably not looked upon favorably?
Agreed
My suspicion is that with these watches selling at sometimes double retail price, some dealers are giving at least some of their allocations to shills who then cooperate with selling the watch on the grey market. It's hard for Patek to come down on dealer...
I'm not sure but I think that it would be rare and extraordinary for that to happen?
Thank you for the compliment on the collection of 4. I'm not a dealer and don't really know how things work, ... but I talked to a cloisonné artist in NYC and she told me she makes about 3-4 dials in the course of a YEAR! So the release of the /1p-001, fo...
My thought process
I am assuming it is less likely that a customer who spent enough on Pateks with an AD to garner a 5131, and to wait for it to be delivered, to sell it to a grey market dealer than the dealer itself to succumb to the temptation of the profit flip. There ar...
I can't tell
There are listings on eBay and elsewhere but it's hard to see exactly how many individual 5131's are out there for grey market purchase.
Strap on R
I just noticed you changed out the strap on the R watch, and I like your choice. Is that a Patek band? Is there a reference number for it?
Burgundy Strap
To create some differentiation between the 5131J-001 and 5131R-001 I outfitted the "R" with a burgundy strap from Patek Philippe. I've commented on previous posts that this combo pairs wonderfully with a Cordovan Shoe and Blue Suit. Attached are some clos...
congratulations
may I ask whats the weight for each of the watch? I have been research watch and weight 😊
Weight
I used a inexpensive postal scale ... so I'm not sure how accurate the numbers are: Including the Strap/Deployment or Bracelet: 5131J-001=101 grams 5131G-001=103 grams 5131R-001=101 grams 5131/1P-001=225 grams 5575G-001=97 grams
