GLau
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Hi Patekova , thanks for this post that brings out great discussion points. Based on not having seen the 5231J in the metal, my comments here are...
at an initial stage based on 5231 photos only.
I like the 5230 case (refreshing for a new reference) but wish that the 5231 would retain the 5230 hands which are attractive in their own rights and which can continue the 5230 lineage.
Having said that, I personally like the scissors hands more on the 5131 because of its vintage, distinct and unusual looks.
Although the Patek logo is consistent with 5230 lineage, it does obstruct part of the enamel dial which is the key to this watch. As a owner of 5131s, I attest to the discrete and subtle nature of the engraving of the Patek logo on the 5131s. The engraving enables a full appreciation of the whole enamel map.
Based on what I know thus far, I call it a tie until I see the 5231 in the metal.
Motif wise, I guess the world time is best with a map. Is it better with fewer continents ? Probably, but from a marketing perspective, less collectors would find it meaningful because their countries would not be on the map of each version. Just my 2 cents.
5131J versus 5231J - Which do you prefer? And how do you feel about both having maps (versus eg the 5231 having a scene), and maps that are virtually identical?
There are many rather obvious differences: case size (5131 is larger) and case style, different font (more traditional font on 5231), Patek Philippe on dial (5231) rather than engraved on the bezel (5131), different minute hand ... But in the most importa...
with the new 5231J
No one near you can miss the BIG logo: "PATEK PHILIPPE GENEVE". A new style ;-((
Which are the same for almost 100% of PP watches.
I like the new stile and have ordered one. It’s different from 5131J but i would say it’s an upgrade due to the better enamel dial. But thats only my opinion.
My first reaction was indeed to wonder why the re-proposed the same enamel theme, which also makes the rest of the 5231 series very predictable...
Except for this, I've read positive reviews from nearly anyone who already had a chance to see both in the metal, because of the various improvements you mention... So I'm looking forward to seeing the 5231 too next month before arriving at a "definitive"...
5231 in my opinion.
I have ordered one. I prefer the enamel work on the dial itself, the vintage aesthetic, the size, etc. are all more to my taste.
Lack of Imagination
These days, when I see the new releases from Patek, I feel disappointed.. Most of the designs are combinations of past features presented in different sizes, different metals, combinations of fonts and hands. The overall designs lack clarity, aesthetics a...
Everyone is entitled to their opinion
Sorry you don't like Cloisonné World Timers. I'm not sure if you've seen one live or if you've only seen them on a computer monitor, ... but in my opinion it makes a big difference. Remember, ... the art that looks rudimentary on a large monitor screen fi...
A few of my thoughts on this..
I happen to prefer the case of the 513x over the 523x. Generally I not a huge fan of flat bezels and I really like how the 513x wears on my wrist. It is less in-your-face elegant in my opinion. I like to dress down mine with a calf strap and find it becom...
Definitely the 5231...
I actually was looking to get a 5131 to complement my collection but hesitated because I had some misgivings about the engraving of the brand on the bezel. It just seemed a just a slight bit tacky and if anything, given that the bezel will get scratched I...
Just to reassure you, ...the engraving is not really visible ...
... except by the wearer. In fact, ... if you hand the watch to someone not familiar with the reference, they don't even recognize the Brand Name and Geneve until you point it out to them?
Hi there...
Good point. I guess after collecting watches and wearing watches I’ve been more picky at the details I still have the eyesight to visualize . I’m sure all of us have been caught staring at our wrists during downtime - and for me and only me, I know a slig...
I know exactly what you mean!
The good thing is that the Cloisonné watch is not really an everyday wear ... so not too many scratches.
Thanks for your detailed and well thought out reply.
Regarding the engraved bezel, I am not 100% sure but I think it can be removed and presumably replaced if the damage warrants it. If not, that would be a big problem.
Probably not needed ...
... because a cloisonné watch is not an everyday wear, ... but I'm sure the engraving can be fixed to near perfection. I've had a number of pretty significant "dings" on some everyday Patek's ... some of them too deep to simply polish ... but when they've...
As we know the 5230 is available at every AD
With no waitlist and both metals. In order to use up the scores of spare cases building up in Geneva tbey dug around the warehouse...found a few dials from previous 5131 and did a quick dial replacement to the enamel....instant success!!! The good news i...
You do realize that this one is yellow gold...
How could they just go pick up spare cases lying around since the existing 5230s are only in white or rose gold? Your thesis makes no sense.
👍👍👍 having a few dials lying around will give the
The purist a heart attack. I remember heated discussions on another forum as to how many are made a year and how few!!
Great topic discussing the two references.
I may be biased but I prefer the 5131 because of all the reasons you mentioned Case design,size,and I think the patek logo on the dial is too much . Iqbal
But then the writing would obscure the hands of the watch?
Just my opinion after inspecting the watch carefully ... but I'm happy the way it is. ...
The writing is very small
I think sometimes we all forget how minute the cloisonné art on these references really is? Remember, ... the art is on a disc smaller than a dime! In an image on a large computer monitor I can really visualize whatever feature I want to concentrate on .....
Hi Patekova , thanks for this post that brings out great discussion points. Based on not having seen the 5231J in the metal, my comments here are...
at an initial stage based on 5231 photos only. I like the 5230 case (refreshing for a new reference) but wish that the 5231 would retain the 5230 hands which are attractive in their own rights and which can continue the 5230 lineage. Having said that, I p...
Great question my friend.
And for once in a long time I am actually leaning towards the new model. Will need to see it in the flesh to confirm for sure but on first impressions I prefer the case much prefer the Patek Philippe on the dial instead of bezel I agree a bit of a shame a...
