Horo_Traveler
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Aah, got it!
Apr 29, 2021,20:30 PM
I was wondering if I had somehow created the perception that I was advocating for vintage over modern PPs, a topic I have no experience in
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Counterpoint on Patek Philippe
By: Horo_Traveler : April 29th, 2021-16:41
There was a great thread stared a few days back on finishing and inward angles on modern Pateks. Now, I don’t have the expertise to judge these beyond “their movements look pretty nice and appealing to me.” The counterpoint I want to offer is that to me, ...
I completely agree
By: cazalea : April 29th, 2021-16:55
You don't need a loupe to see that a Patek is a very fine watch, and just the feel of it in your hand or on your wrist is half the battle won towards a purchase. Cazalea PS - a friend's watch, after almost 50 years of daily wear. ...
You put it very well
By: CastorKrieg : April 29th, 2021-17:37
Patek is a brand that is the best in the world when you look at things holistically - value retention, reputation, history, technology, design. Are they the best in all these things? No, but taken all together they come on top.
I love vintage Patek and I love modern Patek.
By: Time to watch : April 29th, 2021-17:46
Both have their charms strengths and beauty. There is no need to bash one in favor of the other. We can appreciate both by being open minded. H.
Sur-Qualité (over quality)....
By: eklektik : April 30th, 2021-07:17
.... is what should justify the price, particularly for the movement finishing. It is what makes the watch a luxury product at a luxury price. Without that, all movements would be like the very good, accurate and extremely reliable Seiko/Mitoya movements....
Yes, and hence a counterpoint.
By: Horo_Traveler : April 29th, 2021-19:20
There are some who place a premium on very high finishing, others on the overall balance.
Agree 100%.
By: Horo_Traveler : April 29th, 2021-19:24
As you note, there are lots of great options from many brands that serve different interests and priorities for various collectors. And I know collectors who are simply not drawn to the look and general concept of Pateks.
Hahaha!
By: Chromatic Fugue : April 29th, 2021-21:23
That last swipe at FPJ struck a chord with me. I finally sold my CS last year after multiple mechanical failures (on a time-only watch? really?) and disappointing treatment by the brand. But I was glad the market overvalued the piece; it almost made up fo...
The only Resonance I’ve seen...
By: Chromatic Fugue : May 1st, 2021-17:31
... and it was at a dealer, and it didn’t resonate. I pointed that out to the dealer and he said, huh, must not be sufficiently wound. He wound it, still didn’t resonate. I looked at the watch and said: “dude, you have ONE JOB.”
HAHAHAHA!!
By: BigFatPauli : May 2nd, 2021-21:21
Here's the thing with the Resonance... It is SUPPOSED to work on a similar principle to several metronomes on a table: they will all eventually sync up. But take those metronomes and put them in a moving car (ie your wrist) and they will never sync up. Hi...
Just wait for the resonance linesport with 2m wr
By: Fastwong : May 2nd, 2021-22:21
People will be camping out in front of the boutiques. Whenever I see an owner say it's no big deal that their resonance doesn't in fact resonate I have to hold back the rage.
You made an interesting point
By: chintu : May 8th, 2021-11:50
The Resonance still does not seem to be scientifically proven as F.P.Journe speaks of acoustic resonance as the basis for achieving the sync between the two balances (and visually demonstrated via the seconds sub-dials). Philippe Dufour’s Duality or the M...
Exactly. To be perfectly frank about things....
By: BigFatPauli : May 8th, 2021-12:34
Journe is treating the watch collecting community like fools and not just with made up trinkets like the Resonance and others like the Centigraphe that have simply "made up" functionality. Journe is, beyond a shadow of a doubt, lying about what these watc...
A rather strong sentiment that you have expressed!!
By: chintu : May 8th, 2021-14:59
I do agree that the Centigraphe is a bit far-fetched in terms of what it professes to measure; as well as your point regarding the stamped dials. I have had the occasion to handle some of the Journe pieces and was not impressed with the finishing. I heard...
The T30 is the exception the brand, not the rule....
By: BigFatPauli : May 8th, 2021-15:15
For me, the fact that a company can act with such an utter lack of integrity as a whole taints every watch with the name on the dial. It's just gone too far that a few, rare, off-shoot examples don't redeem them. Often, people bring up Journes early works...
FPJ 🤣
By: Fastwong : April 30th, 2021-13:05
Pauli :-))))
By: Mr.Gatsby : April 30th, 2021-17:00
I enjoy reading your posts really — even though I own a Journe! But honestly my friend, I am curious to know what makes you smile ? The top 3 in your stable, what would they be? Best Gatsby
Well...
By: BigFatPauli : April 30th, 2021-20:44
As of late, the watch #1 watch on hit list the blue dial Eichi II. In my collection I don't like to play favorites but these few get a lot of wear: \ Lange 1815 Chronograph My JLC Geophysic from 1958 LM101 in Palladium And last but certainly not least... ...
Pauli :-)
By: Mr.Gatsby : May 1st, 2021-05:58
Hmmm.... I’ve been going through a bit of a Patek phase recently. So the number one watch that gets heaps of wrist time would be the 5960p followed by the 3940r. Apart from those two my De Bethune DB25 in wg/40mm is also back in the rotation (God I miss t...
Thanks for the note BFP.
By: Horo_Traveler : April 29th, 2021-19:30
I was only stating my personal layperson’s views on the brand and cannot disagree with your case regarding effort/$$. I thoroughly enjoyed your post, one of the most entertaining and insightful ones in recent memory.
Aah, got it!
By: Horo_Traveler : April 29th, 2021-20:30
I was wondering if I had somehow created the perception that I was advocating for vintage over modern PPs, a topic I have no experience in
Patek has been using Silicon for quite some time
By: chintu : May 8th, 2021-16:22
In response to the OP of HoroTraveller.. Caliber 240 which powers the 5110 ( and the subsequent 5130 and 5230 as well) uses Silinvar ( the abbreviation for Silicon Invariable) as part of the escape wheel ( spiromax balance). This iteration was from 2005 a...
Indeed.
By: Horo_Traveler : May 12th, 2021-00:23