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issue with pam 339 need advice

By: alexcc : March 14th, 2012-17:33

Today I had visited an authorized dealer in St. Martin with the intention to pick my ordered and prepaid merchandise in advance, pam 339. While I was inspecting the watch, I noticed that while winding the watch I could not reach the end of its winding. According to the salespeople present at the time, this was merely a design function. Owning quite a few manual wind watches including Pam 292j, I am almost certain this is not so. May somebody please confirm a conclusion. This would be greatly appreciated because tomorrow I was suggested to visit their other location in Philipsburg to resolve the issue and possibly collect another brand new Pam 339.

Thank you in advance

It is TRUE.....

By: sergio : March 14th, 2012-18:47

the winding itself....DOESN'T stop....as such. The movement itself, engages a CLUTCH (there's a distinct clicking, audible to the ear) that tells you you've reached the max even though, as I said you can still wind the crown. I've had the 339 for a long time already... There are other models that do the same (PAM 197 with JLC movement) and others that come to a stop (PAM 373).

Ciao - Sergio

Sergio, thank you

By: alexcc : March 14th, 2012-20:02

is it something in the manual that describes this?

I haven't read the manual....:-) [nt]

By: sergio : March 15th, 2012-04:20

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No one reads watch manuals or any manuals for electronics :P [nt]

By: AnthonyTsai : March 16th, 2012-09:07

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Correct, Amico. [nt]

By: amanico : March 14th, 2012-23:29

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Winding issue

By: jeremyr : March 14th, 2012-18:47

I too have tried reaching the end while winding and have not been successful. After a few hundred winds the watch started making odd sounds. This was a big issue for me so declined buying the watch. Besides the winding issue the case discoloration problem keeps me from buying this watch.

I'm not sure if it's a good idea to

By: Jester : March 15th, 2012-03:28

wind the watch a few hundred times. A knowledgeable sales should have told you that P2002 movement have a clutch that 'prevents' people form overwinding it.

To me that's an added safety feature and SHOULD be considered an advantage.

This message has been edited by Jester on 2012-03-15 03:29:42

Thank you everybody for your kind responses and clarification

By: alexcc : March 16th, 2012-08:25

Yesterday picked up my 399. P2002 in fact has protective feature not to overwind the movement, however it is not covered in the manual, very strange, it is a very useful feature. great watch, very happy.

Congrats alexcc! Please share some pictures with us

By: AnthonyTsai : March 16th, 2012-09:08

We never can have too many pictures of the PAM339!

Cheers,
Anthony

now I am puzzled

By: alexcc : March 16th, 2012-11:01

I collected the want yesterday and winding does not stop.

This is the letter from Panerai:

Dear

First of all, thank you for your interest in Panerai. The PAM339 has an 8 day power reserve, since it contains our P.2002 movement. The winding should eventually stop, but it will take quite a bit more time to wind a watch with 192 hour power reserve.

Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to ask.

Best Regards,

OFFICINE PANERAI

Latin America & Caribbean

nothing wrong with your movement

By: Darron : March 17th, 2012-22:55

i have the 233k with 2002. indeed the watch has a "clutch"..you will not feel a hard stop like you do in the eta movements that are in the base and marina watches. when you get to the "end" the crown will continue to turn, but if you listen carefully, you will hear the clutch click and you will know to stop winding. don't worry, its my favorite movement and very accurate +3s/day over 9.5 days!

Darron

Clutch

By: jeremyr : March 17th, 2012-23:01

What happens if you keep winding past that sound ? Can you damage the movement ?

you can wind past the "end" and not hurt the movt

By: Darron : March 17th, 2012-23:08

the clutch disengages/engages when you have wound the barrels as far as the springs can go, the clutch won't let you physically wind the spring anymore, while you continue to turn the crown

Thanks for the info [nt]

By: jeremyr : March 17th, 2012-23:10

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Wrong direction?

By: chuaalvin14 : March 31st, 2012-11:47

if I wind it in wrong direction can hurt the movement?

There is no....wrong...direction

By: sergio : March 31st, 2012-16:20

if you wind it forward, the clutch makes sure you can't....damage (you hurt people, damage watches/movements) the watch. If you wind backward, you can do it for decades and still won't...damage....the watch. I'm not aware of any other "widing" direction, are you?... They build them smart, nowadays, don't they?

Ciao - Sergio

Smart enough to know that....

By: BDLJ : April 1st, 2012-03:20

...endless 'backwards' winding probably does the castle wheel no good?

Not to mention your...fingers..:-) [nt]

By: sergio : April 1st, 2012-04:22

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Thank you everybody for your responses and clarification

By: alexcc : March 18th, 2012-13:28

This is what I expected, what is strange is the response from Panerai.

There's no issue. Wind until you hear the clutch kick in. Then you can stop

By: eric_s : March 31st, 2012-21:46

You can't overwind it, but seems no use to keep winding indefinitely.

It will NOT stop.

Just enjoy it.

No problems with my 339

By: teofft : March 31st, 2012-23:02

perhaps the only thing i notice with the finishing is with the tiny screws holding the "lugs" in place. I don't think that the screws are ceramic and are perhaps just painted or coated...so they may be prone to chip. I love my 339, but it wasn't always that way. I recently mounted it on an ammo strap that rekindled my love for this piece. it seems to be a common theme with my panerais...i think i'm over them, then i change the shoes and it's like a brand new watch!

as for future collectibility, I think in 5-7 years, if panerai as a brand doesn't dilute itself too much in general, this watch will be very desirable. I remember buying my 127 in 2004 and it was just sitting in the case and people were trying to sell them left and right due to size. but i confess i ended up selling it for almost 3x what i paid in order to finance other watches. truth be told, I find that even though i made some money off the fiddy, i've probably lost even more with other trades. at the end of the day though, all the money whether it's more or less, ends up going into other watches again anyway!

I love wearing my 339, and I look forward to appreciating it more and it appreciating more