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Somehow....

 
 By: AuHavrePro : May 16th, 2025-17:17
VC's execution of 'sibling' watches almost always looks more appealing to me. Perhaps an odd observation, but it rings true to me....
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VC’s execution is more refined.

 
 By: quattro : May 16th, 2025-20:16
I agree with you. But I could be very happy with a 2568. 
I’ve been very tempted to buy the Historiques Ultra Fine 1955, ref. 33155 at some point.
Best, Emmanuel 





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😍🤌

 
 By: AuHavrePro : May 16th, 2025-20:31
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Funny story...

 
 By: mdg : May 16th, 2025-17:52
...I decided to ask an AI the following question: "What is the thinnest Calatrava in the current Patek Philippe catalogue? How thin is it?" It came back with the ref. 5196 at 7.68mm. I thought that was discontinued, so I asked it to look again. It came back with:

"My apologies for the oversight. After reviewing the most current information available from Patek Philippe’s official sources and recent updates, you’re correct that the Reference 5196 is no longer listed as a current model in the 2025 Patek Philippe catalog. It appears to have been discontinued, though it remains a notable reference in the Calatrava collection historically.

To identify the thinnest Calatrava in the current 2025 Patek Philippe catalog, I’ve cross-referenced the latest models from the official Patek Philippe website and recent Watches & Wonders 2025 announcements. Here’s the updated answer:

The thinnest Calatrava in Patek Philippe’s current catalog is the Reference 6119 (available in rose gold as 6119R-001 and white gold as 6119G-001). It has a case thickness of 8.08 mm. This model features a 39 mm case, a manually wound Caliber 30-255 PS (2.55 mm thick), and a guilloched hobnail-patterned bezel, embodying the classic Calatrava elegance.

For comparison, other current Calatrava models like the Reference 6196P-001 (38 mm, 9.33 mm thick) and Reference 5226G-001 (40 mm, 8.53 mm thick) are slightly thicker. The Reference 5328G-001 (Calatrava 8 Days) is 10.5 mm thick, making it less slim.

If you’d like me to verify any specific model or provide further details, please let me know!"

Just to demonstrate the frustrations of being a WIS, that we are smarter than AI : )

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We are indeed smarter! ;-)

 
 By: quattro : May 16th, 2025-20:18
I've been so disappointed every time I've tried to use AI to get watch-related information!
Best, Emmanuel
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It surprised me because my question was very specific...

 
 By: mdg : May 16th, 2025-20:26
...all it had to do was get it right the first time : )
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F for favorite 👏🏻🙌🏻👍🏻

 
 By: KMII : May 16th, 2025-19:03
Too bad that these really thin watches have largely disappeared from catalogs 🤷🏻‍♂️
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F is gorgeous.

 
 By: quattro : May 16th, 2025-20:21
I also like A, B and D. And I’ve been very tempted at some point by the Historiques Ultra Fine 1955 (ref. 33155). Best, Emmanuel





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That one tempts me, too 😊👍🏻

 
 By: KMII : May 17th, 2025-04:17
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For me it would be the Vacheron and Constantin watches over the PP

 
 By: Marc Obermann : May 16th, 2025-21:54
I just feel that the Vacherons have a better look and more character and soul.

Marc 
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Yes, the VC are more refined, I completely agree.

 
 By: quattro : May 17th, 2025-05:24
And the revived version of the 6099, with the gorgeous caliber 1003 visible through the sapphire caseback has been a true temptation for me.
But I could also be very happy with a PP 2568.
Best, Emmanuel
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Thin is in!

 
 By: patrick_y : May 17th, 2025-17:48
Nice photos of very thin timepieces!  I really like that swan neck spring on that last Patek Philippe caliber.  Supposedly, the reliability of the Vacheron Constantin 1003 is quite good - for an ultra thin caliber.  As the owner of two Jaeger-leCoultre 849 calibers, very similar to the Vacheron Constantin 1003 (just not as well finished and some cheaper wire springs in the 849), I can say that my experience with the JLC caliber has been mostly quite favorable!
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I like the 849 very much too.

 
 By: quattro : May 18th, 2025-08:54
In fact, I dedicated a thread to those two wonderful ultra thin calibers (849 & 1003):  www.watchprosite.com
Have a nice Sunday.
Best, Emmanuel 
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What a great post! And apparently I did read your post! Since I commented on how much I enjoyed it!

 
 By: patrick_y : May 18th, 2025-17:02
What a great thread!
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Thank you, Patrick!

 
 By: quattro : May 18th, 2025-20:41
Best, Emmanuel
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To me these lugs were strictly VC related. I had never seen Pateks with such lugs, and I must say, like others here, I much prefer VC's execution of the same. Do we know if both cases had the same manufacturer ?

 
 By: montres1 : May 18th, 2025-08:28
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I don't know, unfortunately.

 
 By: quattro : May 18th, 2025-08:47
And, like you, I find VC's execution more refined.
But I would still be very happy with a 2568.
Best, Emmanuel
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