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PM 80.111. Plastic escapement. No jewels. Source: Inf.news
I was decided to buy a Tissot Sideral but now that I know about the plastic parts, I’m pretty unsure. People says it has a great accuracy but I am not confident about how it will age.
Powermatic 80.111. What do you think about this caliber?
Powermatic 80 are calibers derived from the Eta 2824-2. By reducing the pace to 21600 A/h (and probably something else), Swatch engineers have got to improve the PR to an impressive 80h.
The official name of the PM 80.111 is ETA C07.111. It is used in several Tissot models like the PRX or the recently released Sideral. The escapement (pallet fork and escape wheel) is made of some kind of “plastic”. It has 23 jewels, two less than the Eta 2824-2. These two supposedly are the ones that would be used if it had a metallic pallet fork.
There are other types of PM 80 like the ETA C07.611 (no plastic parts) or the ETA C07.811 (no plastic parts and silicium hairspring).
PM 80.111. Plastic escapement. No jewels. Source: Inf.news
I was decided to buy a Tissot Sideral but now that I know about the plastic parts, I’m pretty unsure. People says it has a great accuracy but I am not confident about how it will age.
What do you think? What’s your experience?
Best.
No experience with PM80.111
But the post you post is interesting.
The big thing, Plastic parts.
That is for me shocking!
Tissot use plastic.
I write this because i know how polluted the earth is with old plastic.
The ocean clean up, Breitling’s effort to clean up the oceans.
Second. The Swatch Omega’s. Plastic!
So i want no plastic, or i try to not buy plastic products as most as i can.
I like mechanical watches, because they are sustainable and can service as long a watch maker can replace and lubricate parts.
Third. I had a Tissot with a Swissmatic movement.
After three years the power was out of the watch.
Sure, the Swissmatic have plastic parts to reduce costs to keep the watch price low.
Tissot is a fine brand, but ok, i think the days of plastic are over.
One exemption i have for watches made of recycled plastic. Found in the sea, fish nets, etc.
Swissmatic, it was a short life.
The big thing, Plastic parts.
That is for me shocking!
Tissot use plastic.
I write this because i know how polluted the earth is with old plastic.
The ocean clean up, Breitling’s effort to clean up the oceans.
Second. The Swatch Omega’s. Plastic!
So i want no plastic, or i try to not buy plastic products as most as i can.
I like mechanical watches, because they are sustainable and can service as long a watch maker can replace and lubricate parts.
Third. I had a Tissot with a Swissmatic movement.
After three years the power was out of the watch.
Sure, the Swissmatic have plastic parts to reduce costs to keep the watch price low.
Tissot is a fine brand, but ok, i think the days of plastic are over.
One exemption i have for watches made of recycled plastic. Found in the sea, fish nets, etc.
Swissmatic, it was a short life.
As I’ve read, the Swissmatic is a non serviceable caliber. My fear is whether the 80.111 it will be. What did you do with your Tissot swissmatic?
I have the answer!
Not that exited as the titel.
Retired.
I did not threw my Tissot away.
The reason is not plastic. The reason is that it was my first automatic watch ever.
I found it realistic i start up collecting watches, to start with a affordable watch to explore more exclusive watches later on when my knowledge grow.
Almost 5 years later, it was an exiting journey.
I learned to know great watches. Discovered silicium parts, simple Sellita’s, escapements, etc.
Back a Tissot, or a watch with power matic 80?
No, i learned my lessons.
I want only in house (manufacture), silicium, above the 80 hours power reserve.
The movement that surprised me the most is the Co-Axial that is used by Omega.
I have watches that are better, but how the Co-Axial is build, it’s a power player.
Retired.
I did not threw my Tissot away.
The reason is not plastic. The reason is that it was my first automatic watch ever.
I found it realistic i start up collecting watches, to start with a affordable watch to explore more exclusive watches later on when my knowledge grow.
Almost 5 years later, it was an exiting journey.
I learned to know great watches. Discovered silicium parts, simple Sellita’s, escapements, etc.
Back a Tissot, or a watch with power matic 80?
No, i learned my lessons.
I want only in house (manufacture), silicium, above the 80 hours power reserve.
The movement that surprised me the most is the Co-Axial that is used by Omega.
I have watches that are better, but how the Co-Axial is build, it’s a power player.
My whole watch collection
Is without plastic.
Ok, i kept an old watch.
I do not threw it away because it contains tritium.
I must bring it away as light nuclear waste.
Ok, i kept an old watch.
I do not threw it away because it contains tritium.
I must bring it away as light nuclear waste.
Mostly I’m plastic free too. Only a G Shock and a Garmin. Nothing radioactive. Beware Greenpeace. Best.
Smile
Radioactivity.
There is a lot in watches.
Lumination purposes. Tritium. T on a dial is the evidence, Tritium.
12 years half time.
As i am note Madam Curie.
Kraftwerk’s Radioactivity. Is in the air for you and me.
It is no shame you own a G Shock and Garmin.
I am a big fan of Casio. No Seiko fan.
I can not understand the fandom of Seiko. GS the same.
Citizen is ok.
G shock made of me a huge watch lover.
Breitling did the rest.
There is a lot in watches.
Lumination purposes. Tritium. T on a dial is the evidence, Tritium.
12 years half time.
As i am note Madam Curie.
Kraftwerk’s Radioactivity. Is in the air for you and me.
It is no shame you own a G Shock and Garmin.
I am a big fan of Casio. No Seiko fan.
I can not understand the fandom of Seiko. GS the same.
Citizen is ok.
G shock made of me a huge watch lover.
Breitling did the rest.
I didn’t know Kraftwerk. It seems they were a visionaries. I like Seiko and GS. Well, as we all know, taste is something very personal.
That is tru
But Kraftwerk is one of my favorites bands.
It is no reason for me to wear German watches.
My other favorite bands.
Motörhead.
Laibach.
The Stranglers.
Iron Maiden.
The Cure.
Japan.
Talking Heads.
Spandau Ballet.
Sparks.
Rita Mitsuko.
Khaled.
Steve Miller Band.
Artists.
David Bowie
Paolo Conte
Holly Johnson
Eric Clapton
It is no reason for me to wear German watches.
My other favorite bands.
Motörhead.
Laibach.
The Stranglers.
Iron Maiden.
The Cure.
Japan.
Talking Heads.
Spandau Ballet.
Sparks.
Rita Mitsuko.
Khaled.
Steve Miller Band.
Artists.
David Bowie
Paolo Conte
Holly Johnson
Eric Clapton
I confess
No local amateur band.
Call a band who nobody know, ok, than starting a talk is more difficult.
Pink Floyd, i guess many know the band.
The relation between David Gilmour and Roger Waters is amazing to follow.
Who made the best Floyd album?
I confess that i like the Devision Bells and Momentary laps of reason.
Animals and the Dark side of the moon are icons.
Wish you were here and the wall are famous.
As i pick one out, the wall. That is a big one.
A historical album, and i think the best Floyd album.
Let’s translate all this to watches.
A begin.
Shine on you crazy diamond: A Patek Philippe Aquanaut with diamond bezel.
Money: Rolex Submariner.
Pigs: Corum coin watch year of the pig.
Another brick in the wall: AP royal oak, the typical royal oak dial look bricky.
Have a cigar: Cuervo Y Sobrinos Historia.
Time: Cartier Tank.
Wish you were here: Breguet Classic.
Learning to fly: Breitling Navitimer.
Dogs: Patek Philippe Calatrava with a dial with a dog paint on, year of the dog.
Call a band who nobody know, ok, than starting a talk is more difficult.
Pink Floyd, i guess many know the band.
The relation between David Gilmour and Roger Waters is amazing to follow.
Who made the best Floyd album?
I confess that i like the Devision Bells and Momentary laps of reason.
Animals and the Dark side of the moon are icons.
Wish you were here and the wall are famous.
As i pick one out, the wall. That is a big one.
A historical album, and i think the best Floyd album.
Let’s translate all this to watches.
A begin.
Shine on you crazy diamond: A Patek Philippe Aquanaut with diamond bezel.
Money: Rolex Submariner.
Pigs: Corum coin watch year of the pig.
Another brick in the wall: AP royal oak, the typical royal oak dial look bricky.
Have a cigar: Cuervo Y Sobrinos Historia.
Time: Cartier Tank.
Wish you were here: Breguet Classic.
Learning to fly: Breitling Navitimer.
Dogs: Patek Philippe Calatrava with a dial with a dog paint on, year of the dog.
I have a Hamilton Pan Europe with the CO7.111. Bought it when that watch came out approximately 12 years ago and it's still going strong. It's still not exhibiting any symptoms which would
indicate a need for servicing. Accuracy is still very good as is PR. When I bought it I already had quite a few watches so wrist time has not been huge. I try to rotate pieces or at the very least give them a manual winding
every few weeks, doing that with 2824s (or S200 Sellitas) is not recommended by some people but my hope has always been that it is better than the movement not running for extended periods or leaving a
watch on a winder. I didn't know it had plastic parts but so far so good.
I also rotate all my watches so none of them gets too much wrist time. Good to hear 12 years without problems. I also wind my watches every month (not always running, not always stopped.
Thanks for the feedback.
Call it a "proprietary composite" and you won't be as concerned..
And this will lead to a more informed take, perhaps.
A watchmaker explained this composite is used for better reliability and servicing.
A watchmaker explained this composite is used for better reliability and servicing.
Well, I would be more relaxed if Tissot gave some info about this material. What kind of plastic it is, hardness, durability... I’ve even read that the
servicing consists in replacing the movement for a whole new one. Also I’ve read that the accuracy is excellent. You must know it well... very nice your blue PRX.
Wow. we have some very earth environmentally conscious members here!
To answer your question, I would say no. I don't understand how there could be such a cost savings to make those two parts plastic, charge a few bucks more.. Unless they are saying it is some kind of technology that makes it better over the long run but we don't know how it will do yet, even then I still don't see it. I am surprised how accurate they claim to be being out of plastic.
Everyone says the accuracy is excellent. Although in general I don’t like a caliber with plastics, legends like some Speedies or the Lemania 5100 (central minute chronograph) had it.
I would be happy with some info from Tissot about what I am buying and the durability and possibilities of servicing of this material.
Interesting, I did not know that one. While I agree on the fact that plastic lacks of perceived quality, in the end, we can be reassured that plastic components will be easily replaceable when needed (maybe even through 3D printing).
Overall I would still tend to avoid this caliber, I would not look at my watch the same way knowing that it has plastic in it... 
That is the feeling I have. And from what I´ve read in many forums, the feeling of a lot of people. I guess they are losing a lot of sales. Considering they have the ETA C07.611 and the ETA C07.811 (both without plastic) I think
Tissot ought to show very convincing reasons to use the ETA C07.111.
The powermatic 80hrs reserve only release a few years ago unless it a different name back then
If I recalled correctly. The are high resistance plastics like Delrin, Ultem, PEEK and the list goes no. So not a concern to use on watches but the wear and tear will be faster compared to traditional metal and jewell contact from the pictures you can provided.
Synthetic parts
If people gauge these movements and their competitors by standards defined by the higher level brands, they will be up for a disappointment when it comes to sophistication and workmanship. On the other hand, if relating to these and this level for what it actually is, you will find a few qualities that actually are desirable.
Synthetic materials are not inferior. On the contrary, the right material for the right purpose will add certain qualities. Some synthetic materials ("plastics" is a generic term which tells absolutely zero about the actual performance for various applications) would perform way better than various metals. Can be lighter, have less friction, be more durable and not influenced by magnetism to mention some.
These movements can be both serviced and adjusted, and one likely effect from the use of the synthetic parts in question would be less need for service and repairs. Quite beneficial when dealing with budget bread and butter mechanical watches as the 2nd hand values are low relative to the cost of watchmaker man hours required to service them. That`s why it makes sense to industrialise the service by replacing movements too.
For the entire present / most recent series of these ETA movements, they have a pretty great reputation for reliability and precision. Some people prefer different movements or different iterations from other manufacturers and some prefer other watches than the Swatch brand pieces bestowing these movements. Raising above that and relating to movement only at the budget/craft level they actually belong to, these are probably the technically best you can get. And that would be valid for the lower tier synthetic parts iterations too.
These movements are not an disadvantage for Tissot/Hamilton/Certina/Mido/++. On the contrary, these are one of their greatest advantages. There`s no way around enjoying or taking a dislike to design/style and so on thus affection or different preferences may lead people to other brands. If people do like some watches from Swatch, they can be fairly confident that the movements won`t let them down. And they will get precision way better than COSC permits too. In fact, I believe many owners of these movements would be considering a service if they dropped to COSC performance.