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These are two beautiful examples...

 
 By: mdg : October 21st, 2020-09:03
...they look so much more 'organic' than their modern counterparts. And these days, great value too...

I have received comments elsewhere critical of the quality of the engine turning.

 
 By: gadalex : October 21st, 2020-09:09
But I think that is somewhat harsh as it neglects to take into consideration the context of what a luxury watch was in the wake of proliferation of quartz. There was oddly an element of cottage industry as those brands that emerged in the late 1970s and 1980s bruised, but not unconscious, reevaluated and renegotiated their position in the horological eco-system.
Baruch

I appreciate the more handmade look of these...

 
 By: mdg : October 21st, 2020-09:15
...the modern versions are beautiful, but look as if they were done by a computer. Valuation aside, I would always take a watch that looked like a Daniels or Smith (early) over a 'perfect' watch. I want to see the hand of the person who made it.

I'm with you, and they sit beautifully on the wrist. [nt]

 
 By: gadalex : October 21st, 2020-09:18
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+1. This was not the best era for fine watches which had to compete ( or survive to ) with Quartz.... [nt]

 
 By: amanico : October 22nd, 2020-22:41
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They are indeed good looking pieces and good values! [nt]

 
 By: patrick_y : October 21st, 2020-10:09
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Would the PC leap year dial mean it was made for a German client? [nt]

 
 By: Uncle Chico : October 21st, 2020-09:51
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More than likely.

 
 By: gadalex : October 21st, 2020-09:59
The watches were consigned to the same sale most likely by the same client. They were manufactured in consecutive years ('86 and '87) and we know that the 3130 was sold in Dusseldorf, May 1986, which would lead me to believe that they ended up in the same city. 

Regards,
Baruch

Interesting article and history of Chaumet...

 
 By: patrick_y : October 21st, 2020-10:09
Thank you very much for the read! 

An interesting pair of watches from a turbulent time. [nt]

 
 By: gadalex : October 21st, 2020-13:37
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I don't have the up-close knowledge of Breguet that others commenting here, so I'll just limit myself to saying how staggeringly beautiful these watches are. [nt]

 
 By: Rosneathian : October 21st, 2020-10:10
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*of [nt]

 
 By: Rosneathian : October 21st, 2020-11:19
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They are wonderful pieces.

 
 By: gadalex : October 21st, 2020-13:38
Funny thing is I only started investigating once I had the chance to photograph them because the caseback of the perpetual held some intrigue. It was certainly worth the effort.

I've returned to your post having spent the last six months studying the work of Daniel Roth in more detail

 
 By: Rosneathian : April 17th, 2021-22:00
This has involved coming across written pieces where you were involved, some quite high-profile coverage in the watch media, IG (unavoidably) and the complete catalogue of his work reconstructed from back issues of Europa Star. You could say I'm smitten. The 3130 in particular. My goodness. Just missed out on one recently but I'm sure opportunities will arise sooner or later.
Signing off in admiration for your own pursuits.

Great post! These watches are Marvelous. I have always wanted to write Mr. Roth and express my appreciation. [nt]

 
 By: Spangles - Dr. Tabby : October 21st, 2020-11:06
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Thank you!

 
 By: gadalex : October 21st, 2020-13:39
I did write Mr Roth with some questions about the references mentioned in the post, but alas I have yet to receive an answer!

Very informative post

 
 By: Speedie74 aka Mr. Torquise : October 21st, 2020-11:36
with beautiful pictures, thanks for it!

I didn’t know that Roth was also at Breguet, I was aware of the fact, that he worked for Audemars. But if I compare the dials of the first Roth watches with these Breguet’s, the similarity is obvious.

As for the guilloching: I think Martin Braun wrote me once, that every guilloching is a machinery-guilloching, the only difference is between a hand and machinery guilloching is the issue, whether the guilloching machine is handled by the watchmaker or a robot. Or maybe I misunderstood anything?

Yours,

Adam

Hi Adam. Thank you for your comments.

 
 By: gadalex : October 21st, 2020-13:43
Mr Roth certainly played a pivotal role in Swiss watchmaking in the the 1980s and early 90s. I am preparing an overview of guilloche dials on watches from the 1970s to the present day, but haven't yet delved too deeply into the operation of the machinery. The 15 or so brands or watchmakers I have been looking at certainly operate the rose engines by hand though.
Regards,
Baruch

Interesting article

 
 By: VinnieD : October 21st, 2020-13:03
I remember my great uncle - who used to be in the diamonds trade - telling me about these stories.
Jewellery in the 70s and 80s must have been quite something with on one hand capitalism running wild in Western societies and on the other hand oil riches accumulating fast in the Middle East!

Thank you! I can only imagine what it would have been like. Francois Bodet elaborates on the type of client Breguet was attracting back in those days in the short book that charts his recollections of that period. [nt]

 
 By: gadalex : October 21st, 2020-13:44
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Good write up [nt]

 
 By: WatchEater : October 21st, 2020-13:35
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Thank you and i'm glad you enjoyed it. [nt]

 
 By: gadalex : October 21st, 2020-13:44
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Thank you for this very informative thread.

 
 By: Tyo : October 21st, 2020-19:14
I’m a proud owner of a Tradition so I mean it sounds louder to me. 

Glad you enjoyed it and I'm a big fan of the Tradition line! [nt]

 
 By: gadalex : October 22nd, 2020-00:19
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What a great read, thanks a lot for all these pics and info. [nt]

 
 By: Geo : October 21st, 2020-23:25
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A pleasure indeed. [nt]

 
 By: gadalex : October 22nd, 2020-00:19
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2 amazing examples from the Roth era. Thanks for sharing [nt]

 
 By: holdemchamp1225 : October 22nd, 2020-15:22
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Pleasure! [nt]

 
 By: gadalex : October 23rd, 2020-03:01
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I am ashamed to say that I didn't know that Daniel Roth worked with and for Breguet! That's a very interesting article, Baruch. I like these close ups you posted at the end of your article. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : October 22nd, 2020-22:41
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