W10 300, aka Omega Seamaster 300 for Special Air Service

Dec 21, 2011,14:45 PM
 

I have read on this forum more than once that one has to thread very carefully when advancing in the field om Omega's vintage military watches and even more so when considering Omega's military version of SM 300, where the landscape can be more readily compared to a minefield because of the relative lack of clear, reliable information and the relatively large proportion of fakes.
I have recently stumbled upon a watch that has attracted my attention and would not consider making a move for it before doing a bit of research and receiving a bit of feedback. The watch in question is in good condition and is on offer from an expert collector cum merchant (in this case it might be wise of 'buying the merchant' as well)
What follows is an attempt at describing the characteristics of an original W10 300.  What do you think of my homework? Have I done well? Any mistake or important omission? Please, feel free to comment. I hope that my description is sharp enough for you to visualize the watch smile

Best
Ztirual

Typology/ characteristics of an original vintage W10 300:

-Movement serial number starting from 27.xxx.xxx onwards/ manufactured from 1967 onwards.
The watch has '27.7xxx.xxx' serial number.

- Automatic mouvement cal. 552 in good working condition. Rotor engraved with 'OMEGA WATCH Co SWISS'. One brigde inscribed '552' under Omega's logo and the number '1' within it.

- Original black plastic bezel with thick markers and roman numbers (top small equilateral triangle, 10, 20, 30 40 & 50 light brown colour, all other minute's makers equally fat but white) Different fonts and font thickness have been produced. It is normal for the bezel to show sign of use and variation/ staining/ discolouration. The font of the watch has a font with rounded 3, relatively broad top flat 4 and relatively closed 5.

- Crown is screwed (as always with military SM, not snap/ Naiad type) sunken within Lyre case

- Fixed, thick bars with old traces of wealding

- Lyre type stainless steel (acier inoxydable) case

- Inside of caseback stamped with inscriptions centred from top to bottom : 'ACIER INOXYDABLE', stamped triangle with Omega's logo   'OMEGA'    'WATCH Co'    'FAB. SUISSE'    'SWISS MADE', ref nr: '165.024' , 'CB' mark lowest

- Outside of screw back clearly ingraved on 4 lines with military order and serial number:  Arrow sign at the top     'W10/6645-99-'    '923-7697'    'A/xxx/67'. Distinctive font matching other original W10 300s (This area is, thank god, fairly well documented).

- Black matt dial with circled 'T' (tritium marking) and broad triangle at 12. The circled T marking can be below the hands' axle or above (less common?) Some argue thar the W10 and 0552's also came without circle T marking. It may well be the case. Circle T marking is the cherry on the cake. In this case the circle T is above the hands' axle.

- Dial has a tiny but distinctive holes, one in the12 o'clock and one in 6 o'clock lumed markers. The are made relatively close and at near equidistance to the 'rehaut'.

- Lumes (tritium) are either yellow-orange or green-green and have a definite vintage 'texture'. All lumes are very bold, broad triangle (BT) at 12, short at 3, 6 and 9, and almost twice as long for all other hour markers. In this case the lumes are a lightly 'textured' yellow-green.  The SM 300 military was also made with 'ordinary' 12 o'clock Arabic number and short lumed marker (matching 3, 6. 9 lumed markers) ie. without the BT.

- Omega logo immediately below the BT, fattest at the side 'handles', the base of the logo 'with serif' curling upwards. Centred undertext, first line: 'OMEGA', second line: 'AUTOMATIC', third line below the centre axle: the characteristic 'Speedmaster 300' in italics. Fat white Arabic numerals 3, 6 and 9 o'clock. 6 and 9 being distinctively 'open'

- Hour's hand is fat sword/ diamond-type, minute's hand is sword, centre second's hand is spear tip type. Unlike the other 2 hands that have polished metal edges, the centre second's hand is painted white. All hands have matching lumes that also match the hour's markers' lume.

- T-SWISS MADE-T painted at the bottom of the dial (partly visible)

- Original hesalite glass with Omega logo

- Original Omega's certificate from Omega's archives with matching ref. nr and mvt number, delivered to SAS


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In this very specific case, buy the seller.

 
 By: amanico : December 21st, 2011-19:02
You can have very close to the military SM 300 which are not military. The most important is the Omega certificate to prove its military destination. I would then double check with Omega that the watch they authentificated as Military is in all points the... 

Does not everyone have a wish lits at Xmas?

 
 By: grigo : December 21st, 2011-21:36
Yours is probably very long. Best regards, George

Hello

 
 By: Franco : December 21st, 2011-22:49
Hello I have a database of pictures which I keep for my own personal use, in the years I have collected about 85 sets of documentations about military SM300. If you send me pictures of the watch, I will be able to tell you more. The T in the upper side of... 

Will do!

 
 By: ztirual : December 22nd, 2011-09:09
Hello Franco, Thank you for your offer. I will send you pictures of the watch tonight. You are spot on on the certificate. The watch comes with a certificate that I have not yet seen. So my description was more suggestive than accourate. I know the seller... 

seconded, franco. i saw 4 Military SM 300 with the T above the hands....

 
 By: watch.out1 : December 22nd, 2011-23:32
all in london. and even with pictures it is sometimes difficult, to judge without having them in your hand. kind regards. achim

Thank you for your advice, Nicolas [nt]

 
 By: ztirual : December 22nd, 2011-09:11
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one thing i do know is this

 
 By: G99 : December 22nd, 2011-04:49
if it has A/254/67 then its a fake without a shadow of a doubt, but there are numerous other numbers used by the far eastern fakers to lure us addicts into their web of lies. to be 100% sure you need some provenance as well as just buying the seller as no... 

Not true

 
 By: Franco : December 22nd, 2011-07:13
Hi Graham your assumption on the inscription (printed over the hyppocampus ) is wrong. It depends on the date of the watch. Best wishes Franco

there you go Franco, that...

 
 By: G99 : December 22nd, 2011-07:32
there you go Franco, that just proves how difficult it is to tell a real one or to ascertain any facts that will always apply. best Graham

Military SM 300

 
 By: valerian1 : December 22nd, 2011-06:19
Hi I know a collector in the UK who has two military SM 300's (I've been lucky enough to see them both n the metal)both with accompanying Omega Extract of Archives verifying their provenance. PM me if you'd like to be put in contact with him for more tips... 

Thank you valerian1

 
 By: ztirual : December 22nd, 2011-09:15
Thank you for your kind offer. I will start with sending pictures of the watch to Franco and may ask contact details of your friend by pm if needs be. Best regards Ztirual

No Worries

 
 By: valerian1 : December 23rd, 2011-02:53
Just let me know if you need his contact details Happpy Xmas to one and all! Ian

..its a minefield...

 
 By: hans_jorgen_1968 : December 27th, 2011-15:26
. literally speaking.. I have had a few attempts on the mil variants, but every time (so far) stopped the prices due to uncertainty or dubious sellers. I wish you good luck and will be looking forward to seeing your wunder (if you buy) Best Hans

Here's one with almost the exact same number...

 
 By: francois : January 7th, 2012-20:45
On another forum … However, the markings on the back appear to have been laser-engraved…...  

all A/254/67's are fake. except...

 
 By: G99 : January 8th, 2012-02:08
all A/254/67's are fake. except 1 of course. G

LOL. Brilliantly put, Graham. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : January 8th, 2012-02:21
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Thanks for the banter guys... [nt]

 
 By: ztirual : January 9th, 2012-11:37
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