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I see your point Art and would also agree if we are talking about vintage Speedmasters as they are more difficult to get and more of a hassle to maintain...
The new tech found in the 3861 Speedies are just technically better watches overall and should appeal to the masses more anyways.
The same could be said about modern and vintage Rolex. Although the vintage Rolex market is large, especially amongst collectors, it is dwarfed by the modern Rolex market.
Opinions: Omega 321 vs new Speedy moonwatch
I had the opportunity to look at both these today and somehow unexpectedly my allegiance for now is with the new ordinary 'basic' Speedmaster as opposed to the revered 321. It is simply a more aesthetically pleasing watch on the wrist when compared to the...
I feel it boils down to the case & the lugs
the impression out of the movement kicks in late... Best, Mahesh., ...
Both are great Speedmasters ...
But the Speedmaster 321 “Ed White” is on the next level. The perfect solution is to have one of each ;-))
Always that dilemma..hot n wild with luks vs homely with brains. But who wud you miss most?
But really I failed to see that 'next level' you mention.
I have thought about the same question
For reasons similar to yours, the design of the classic simply speaks to my heart massively. And while the 321 has the venerability, if I would have to choose one or decide from which to start, I would go classic. All the best, Alex
Also 321 doesn't luk like luxury to me (relatively speaking)...new speedy does. I mean...
.. it now has that je ne sais quoi while 321 luks like a tool watch in comparison until you flip it. Even then most wud compliment the basic piece if put side-by-side. One has know about the history or free sprung or column wheel and collectibility to get...
Tricky choice indeed
My heart could go for the classic given the case shape which is exceptional, and having a slightly more pedestrian movement makes sense in such a tool watch. I am saying that but I have not tried the 321 yet. I had a 3998 in the past but always preferred ...
It all comes down to what is important to you and your preferences...
The Moonwatch case with the lyre lugs has become synonymous with the Speedmaster due to the duration it has existed. The EW 321 is based off an older reference and thus an homage to a different era. If you just consider the looks, then that is subjective....
Thanks for your detailed response. Price/value is completely different discussion. I believe I over-expected from 321 while it was the 3861 that over-delivered hence the dilemma. It ll take time ...
....to sink in at my end. To answer your other Q Breguet Montblanc both have similar propositions Lemania Villeret which are much better finished iirc. I dont believe their price 18-20k is that far off but those are in PMs etc. I m sort of envious of some...
I appreciate your response but an equivalent Breguet (gold as they don't make it in SS) with the same base Lemania 2310 movement is 4 times the price of an EW 321. As for the MB/Minerva, that is 1.5 - 2x the price and nowhere near the pedigree...
I am basing this on retail prices, not secondary market prices. I have looked around and thought about anything even equivalent to an EW 321 in terms of quality, pedigree, etc...and again I don't think there is anything close. It is actually in a class of...
Pat. you are just concentrating your discussion around price/value. My take after seeing it was 321 somehow luks inferior to the new 3861 when put on wrist. At least that was just my first impression.
...even when Flipped around it has 3 elements sedna, german silver and reg nickel plated metal jarring each other. It wasn't love at first sight. The pedigree/value bias is only thing which swayed me to think it this far.
Pat?? Again, I see and understand your point but being an owner of the EW 321 and both Apollo 11 50th Anniversary models which have a 3861 movement, I would happily choose th 321 over the Apollo 11 any day...
As I stated prior, the EW 321 and Apollo 11 Moonshine are my 2 favorite modern Speedmasters in terms of quality, pedigree, etc... I would recommend spending more time with both watches to get a better sense of ownership as I can honestly say that I have o...
Yup that wud be the 'normal' course of action- spend more time with it.. But given the lockdown stay@home ord and poor availability that is not even an option. I am considering just getting it and see if I grow to like it.
Never bought anything I haven't loved so this wud be the exception and it feels weird. Its almost like ordering any other retail item online these days just to luk at except this one cannot be returned
New speedy. They did right with that one..
Although i am slightly annoyed by the “flight qualified in 1965” text. Its like justifying itself that it’s also a legit moonwatch I’d go sapphire sandwich if ever. Applied logo, partly polished links on the bracelet, and supposedly thinner than the hesal...
The Ed White 321 is an homage . . .
. . . to a legend. Cal 3861 Speedmasters are the dawn of a third generation. One beckons the past, the other is the future. I don't have a dog in this hunt, nor have I seen either in the metal yet. My hunch, though, is that Speedmasters powered by the new...
I see your point Art and would also agree if we are talking about vintage Speedmasters as they are more difficult to get and more of a hassle to maintain...
The new tech found in the 3861 Speedies are just technically better watches overall and should appeal to the masses more anyways. The same could be said about modern and vintage Rolex. Although the vintage Rolex market is large, especially amongst collect...
Are you familiar with Elliott's wave theory . . .
. . . of stock market trends? The third (of five) wave(s) is the strongest. My sense is we're at the dawn of the most potent era. Before long, we'll be referring to Speedmasters in BC and AD terms. ;-)
You really think 3861 is that big of a stepping stone? I mean it is easy to see it as the most mass appealing ...
...watch that checks all the boxes- Price,value, aesthtics, functionality, precision and versatility. Wud it be tough one to beat for years?
In a word . . .
. . . yes. Assuming, of course, the purported precision of the movement actually pans out. ...
I’d love to be in the same predicament; I’ve been waiting for a 321 for 7 months.
That being said, I have doubts about the case design (straight lugs and how they would look on aftermarket straps) and the bracelet as well. The new speedie kills it with the hacking seconds, METAS certification, and bracelet. The sapphire model has nice ...