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Help needed to identify this Ranchero or franken?...

Hi all,

Kindly help me identify this Ranchero. The dial diameter is 30mm.

The watch looks pretty worn out and needs a good watchmaker's attention. But first I need the experts to certify this is a real genuine Ranchero. I am allowed to keep this watch with me for 2 days for scrutiny.

Here are the pictures.

Thank you in advance.

Best

Edward

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cannot issue certificates, but .....

By: Franco : August 26th, 2011-14:42

... to me looks pretty OK, although through an intense life. The movement serial number goes with approx. 1960, which is in keeping with the production dates. Many parts of this movement can be easily found. Hands and dial seem good to me. Case is like mi...

Thank you Franco...

By: EdwardL : August 26th, 2011-21:20

For your assessment and for the details from the Archives. Yes this watch desperately needs a right owner to give it the love and care it deserve. I hope I succeed. Thank you once again for your valuable input. Ed

yes, seconded, franco. nice example......

By: watch.out1 : August 26th, 2011-23:38

i´d fix the movement problems ( there will be rust under the plates....) & remove the black luminous remains from the markers ( they will have attributed to the poor state of the dial) & relume the hands with a greyish looking lume. different crown & slig...

here is my white dialed one.... has the portoguese customs mark......

By: watch.out1 : August 26th, 2011-23:50

stamped on top of the 4 o´clock lug.... hard to see in the pics. looks like a small hole, but customs marked all incoming watches.... kind regards. achim...

Thanks for your input Achim...

By: EdwardL : August 27th, 2011-01:36

Like Franco's, yours is also a very nice example. Best Ed

Do you happen to know...

By: mac_omega : August 27th, 2011-09:35

Hi Achim, I have seen these custom hallmarks several times but could not determine what they show - do you happen to know? Do you know if Spain used these custom "punches" too? I bought a watch from a Spanish dealer which had a hallmark on one lug - but m...

It looks...

By: mac_omega : August 26th, 2011-23:34

Hi Edward, watch looks legit, it is like mine and seems original (not the crown) as Franco has pointed out. But is it worth to buy it in such desperate condition?? This model is not so scarce, so I think you can find much better examples within a reasonab...

Thank you Erich...

By: EdwardL : August 27th, 2011-02:08

You are absolutely right about your thoughts. Yes I'm a sucker for vintage and loves patina. But this one's dial is too battered. I'll pass this one. Thank you and every one for your prompt response, we can always count on You guys. I am privileged to be ...

Ed, if it´s not too expensive, buy it and send me the dial and hands for freshing up.....

By: watch.out1 : August 27th, 2011-03:00

you will be surprised , how it looks after some gently attention....... just a thought. kind regards. achim

The fun will be to restore it

By: EdwardL : August 28th, 2011-01:14

After I buy it, if I buy it. But only if the seller sells at my price Thanks again Achim Ed

Restore

By: aroma : August 27th, 2011-01:49

Hi Edward, I'd definitely restore it (sympathetically - i.e. not overdone). Unlike some here, I don't see many of these around and if it was mine, I'd try to get it looking as good as possible without vandalizing it. Have fun - and let's see it when it's ...

Thank you

By: EdwardL : August 28th, 2011-01:20

Andrew for your encouraging words. I just have to be patient and hopefully get this one at a fare price. Ed

Here are my Rancheros ...pic

By: Franco : August 27th, 2011-02:31

... one with 7077 bracelet, one with a tropic....

Wow!!! stunning pair...

By: EdwardL : August 28th, 2011-01:30

How I hope someday I also have such a pic off mine to post. Thanks for sharing. Ed

But ....

By: Franco : August 28th, 2011-03:46

... I have none with center seconds ! I am sure that you will make it, Rancheros are not hugely difficult to find in good conditions. But be careful because there are many around with later-produced parts. Especially croens and hands, and I have seen many...

Nice Franco ! Never thought about it on a bracelet...

By: Bill Sohne : August 30th, 2011-07:44

Hi Franco..... Nice pair ... Here is my white dialed example... What end pieces are you using on it ?Number 4 . Best Bill...

is either 4 or 7

By: Franco : August 30th, 2011-08:55

HI Bill I do not remember, is either n.4 or n. 7 endpieces - 18mm. Ciao! Franco

Looks original, but it's a personal preference .....

By: Bill Sohne : August 30th, 2011-08:00

Hi Edwin As others have stated it appears original to my eyes as well. But the movement has been exposed to a lot of moisture and will need major restoration. With the dial , I would disagree with Achim. I would not "touch" the dial and not re-lum it. As ...

Thank you Bill for your input...

By: EdwardL : August 30th, 2011-12:39

Hi Bill, Yes I have pulled the trigger to save this poor soul. Lots of work to be done, but I will give it my best and give it the love and care it deserve. I really curse previous owners who mutilated the dial probably when trying to pry open the hands w...

maybe i should explain, what we can do......

By: watch.out1 : September 1st, 2011-00:43

this is the last "friendly" fresh-up for a canadian collector. spotted dial for a JLC MK 11. before and after. lume removed before;lume added after to match the hands. kind regards. achim...

Thank you so much Achim...

By: EdwardL : September 1st, 2011-19:10

That is magical. That is what my dial and hands needs. PM sent. Ed