Good Points...

Oct 10, 2010,03:00 AM
 

Yes, Erich, your points reflect my personal view of collecting and maintaining vintage watches.

This is especially the case with Constellations, where, in quite a few instances, I have seen jobs come back from Bienne that have basically destroyed the collectibility of the watch.

Like you Erich, I strongly recommend using a local expert rather than sending to Bienne.  While parts are no longer supplied to independent watchmakers, there are still some big Omega suppliers out there, and of course if one chooses a watchmaker who has worked with Omegas over the years the chances of him having plenty of parts watches on standby are fairly good.

With Constellations, supplies of correct bumper rotors and correct mid-500 series rotor bridges have dried up at Omega and so the nearest parts are used.  I've also seen instances of Omega insisting that a dial is refinished (otherwise they would send the watch back) where the dial itself has no spot or damage but the lacquer is powdering a tad. Rather than bring in a specialist to remove the rivets, remove the lacquer and re-rivet, Omega insists on redialling.

I think it's all about service ethos. Omega doesn't appear to make any distinction between a vintage and a contemporary watch. It's fine for a contemporary model to come back from service looking brand spanking new, but to take the same attitude with valuable vintage watches misses the point and in some ways damages the reputation of the brand in my opinion.  

The other thing is that there are a heap of enthusiasts on other fora who delight in sending their tool watches to the "Spa in Bienne" and strongly advocate other vintage owners do the same, and so for a new collector like skinnyguy it's difficult to ascertain what the preferred practice is amongst seasoned collectors .  

I guess, Skinnyguy, the point for you to consider is whether you wish to acquire collectible specimens or whether you simply want to have the pleasure of wearing a nicely refurbished (save the lettering on the Seamaster) vintage model that will, with servicing every five years, tick on for decades.  If you go the way of the serious collector then you can consider the option of keeping the watch as close to original as possible.

I wrote a couple of essays on the various options click here and click here and hope it's a useful aid in your deciding where you stand on this matter.

Regards

Desmond

 


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Bienne restoration...

 
 By: skinnyguy : October 9th, 2010-17:36
It've just come back from Bienne,the first time after 45 years leaving her homeland. The guys in Bienne did excellent job on every detail,the dial looks really fantastic,the only thing I don't understand why they didn't keep the letter font as close to th...  

re

 
 By: mondodec : October 9th, 2010-18:21
Yes, strange they've used the fonts and Seamaster lettering of 50s seamasters, particularly the "double-coathanger" S. It's quite a good refinishing job but instructions to the redialling contractor may have not been explicit enough. One option is to say ... 

Don't know....

 
 By: skinnyguy : October 9th, 2010-21:22
....what to do right now!!!!Wait a few more months???The "coathanger" is not so annoying,I'll contact them first to see what they say. Thanks for your suggestion,Skinnyguy

Thats a great result.

 
 By: grumio : October 9th, 2010-20:59
Hi skinnyguy, congratulation, the watch looks absolutely fantastic - the case, dial and hands all look great. The font thing is something only a Purist would ever notice, but then again I guess that is why you're posting here... Otherwise the dial looks i... 

Hi

 
 By: skinnyguy : October 9th, 2010-21:53
Yes,that's why the pictures posted here,it's not annoying to me but not for all you guys out there.My view may change in the next few years,i'm totally a newbie and have had great chances to talk with the "Pros" right here and really appreciate this. The ...  

Impressive!

 
 By: amanico : October 9th, 2010-22:59
Is this a NOS dial and set of hands? Impressive, really impressive. Best, Nicolas.

No....

 
 By: skinnyguy : October 10th, 2010-06:15
.....the dial were re-painted and NOS hands. Thanks,Skinnyguy

From a PuristĀ“s view...

 
 By: mac_omega : October 10th, 2010-00:21
Hi Skinnyguy, please do not take me wrong, I do not want to spoil your pleasure or want to spoil your weekend! The watch looks very good now, but I do not see it from your point of view but from a PuristĀ“s view: 1)I do not understand why you had the dial ... 

Good Points...

 
 By: mondodec : October 10th, 2010-03:00
Yes, Erich, your points reflect my personal view of collecting and maintaining vintage watches. This is especially the case with Constellations, where, in quite a few instances, I have seen jobs come back from Bienne that have basically destroyed the coll... 

What to do...

 
 By: grumio : October 10th, 2010-18:16
I understand that the convserve vs preserve vs restore vs repair question comes up in almost all fields of collecting, or at least in any field where the collectibles are not recently made. If the item is historically important, valuable or rare, then the... 

Very nice.....

 
 By: skinnyguy : October 10th, 2010-06:13
....to hear from both of you Erich and Desmond. To be honest to all,I just want to compare the job done by Bienne with the original wactches I owned and now I can see the differences.Lots of great testimonials about Bienne Service also take affect on my d...  

As one who has primarily vintage watches

 
 By: mrsnak : October 10th, 2010-09:34
I have to agree with Erich & Desmond on this, but this is also my personal taste. I vastly prefer an older watch as original as possible, but have certainly made exceptions. (Like my Watchco SM300 which is made with all new Omega current parts, but a corr... 

FantasticJob

 
 By: Timertom : October 10th, 2010-23:32
I don't think I could have expected a better job. The slight change in font doesn't bother me in the least, but that is ofcourse a question of personal taste and how deep you go into the subject. The watch looks way better now than it did before. Thanks f... 

I'm going....

 
 By: skinnyguy : October 11th, 2010-09:33
....to say "Yes".You can check the price chart on Omega website,actually I paid the same amount for the movement service here in the US at Omega AD,the dial is another story.I've got a warning from a kind Purist here:prepare your self !!! As a Newbie I wa... 

the watch does now look as new, but i would prefer the original dial

 
 By: G99 : October 11th, 2010-10:51
its all a matter of personal taste, but i think the majority of us here prefer the originality of the dial and hands. on the other hand, if you were to be wanting to pass it down to your first born son he would be stoked to get such a mint looking piece. ... 

i would call it a reborn

 
 By: aldossari_faisal : October 12th, 2010-03:04
amazing job done on the watch . thanks for saring . Faisal

And it has the provenance of a certified Bienne restoration

 
 By: mrsnak : October 12th, 2010-17:38
So if the watch changes hands, and the paperwork is included, there is no question of its authenticity or workmanship.

Oopps.

 
 By: hoipolloi : October 12th, 2010-18:55
And 50 years after, people will use it as a proof of authenticity to prove the other guy wrong.

I am afraid you are right... [nt]

 
 By: mac_omega : October 13th, 2010-00:06
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Discussions...

 
 By: skinnyguy : October 13th, 2010-00:31
..and opinions keep pouring in,lots of things for me to think of. It's great to be here with all nice members from all over the planet. Best,Skinnyguy