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well thought out arguments...
simple answer to me is to produce it in regular production. if paneristi are truly a community then it should be quite welcoming to all new joiners and hence it should be available to all who want it...if the purpose is to create a watch for loyal paneristi. If they produced it in sufficient numbers prices wouldn't be driven to crazy levels and the flippers would look for easier fish to fry... so the reality is that panerai is well aware of the phenomenon (come on - there have to more than 300 true paneristi!) and consciously contributes to it to ensure the brand 'retains value'... and we continue to believe that it's worth the prices we pay. just my 2 cents
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360 on sale ????
Trust some of us have seen the sale on some forum . Pam 360 sold at US$30K. Any truth to this and what is your thoughts on the sale. Let hear it from you guys .. THANKS
If it indeed were true, it'll be just a one shot occurrence
The PAM360 is a great piece but definitely, absolutely not that "hot" to warrant that price. Irrational exuberence as Greenspan would say. - AT
I think that those who were in the list as sincere Paneristis ...
Will be happy to know that they didn't receive the watch they deserve ( which was the original purpose of the release of this watch ) at the entire benefit of some flippers. I think Panerai should have better checked to who they sold these 360. But I alre...
One consideration though...
I have just posted that I have just had confirmation that I will get one. Absolutely love it, will likely never sell it. But, imagine some person who is a long-standing member of Paneristi with a real passion for the brand. However, financially perhaps no...
Thanks for your very well advocated answer.
One thing is to not be able to resist to an offered insane price, another thing is to offer a watch at an insane price. I think a true Paneristi, I mean a passionate and sincere collector, wouldn't even imagine playing this game. Therefore, to be a Paneri...
Panerai enthusiasts are often portrayed as a FAMILY
Whilst I understand your points, I agree, of course situations varies and changes, of course people can want, exchange or replace their watches, even make a few to maintain their collection. But Panerai and P.com is said to be a Family. PAM 360 is fir...
Times passes, but like always with this brand, a few privileged few benefit
Those privileged few; so-called ‘passionate collectors’ are often those very guys that beneficiate a great deal. We saw it before, with the likes of PAM 195/PAM203 being close to instantly sold for a large premium, yeah, that’s love... P...
SO...
what makes it a big deal... what made the 360 a big deal in first place things are as simple as this its an item it was bought in first place... it simple can get sold in second ... speaking of pam 360 do you see panerai coming out with a clone version of...
one stupid post says nothing
You want me to put one for sale for 100K or maybe 7K ? All you need is some pictures and an asshole who got the watch I should have gotten :-( :-( :-( :-( :-(
In a big boat, there will always be a leak or two
and afaik those were mended Cheers, Asi
there is sentiment and there is business
Each has is personnal view of course but you can look at the 360 from different angles, some who will see it as a sentimental object they will try to tell you it's about 'community' (whatever that may present) it's about 'tribute' , it's about 'being a pa...
Personally......
I couldn't care less. Everybody is free to do whatever they want. It is utopia to try and determine (and condemn) other people's actions, based on what WE would do, in the same circumstances. It spanks of bigotry and has nothing to do with a "free world" ...
Elitist really.....
The limited 300 watches only sold to those hand picked due to loyalty or friendship is quite ELITIST. So if anyone wants to join the exclusive club, a 30k buy-in is required: http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=147010
After all that is written here......
I must said its like Economics, two sides of it . Personally , i feel sad if the transaction is true. The reason is that there are so many true risti who have not got the watch. Again the question, how they chose the 300 owners is really getting strange. ...
I agree, there is always two sides of the story
In the end this is just how the economy works, Panerai as an enterprise make the most out of it as this is one of the best marketing strategy that works. well..with all the respect of Paneristis and true collectors. What is your point of view. Eddy
Two sides always....
On one hand, if one owns a watch he/she can do as they please....... however. if one buys a watch for the sole purpose to resell it, that one is a flipper... it is your decision to buy from that person or not... this is the law of the market.... now there...
The price that this person is asking
is only crazy if no one buys it. The moment someone purchases this watch its a point on the graph, and if it is duplicated it becomes a trend. I would imagine those that got these watches don't exactly mind this flipper making their piece worth a lot more...
well thought out arguments...
simple answer to me is to produce it in regular production. if paneristi are truly a community then it should be quite welcoming to all new joiners and hence it should be available to all who want it...if the purpose is to create a watch for loyal paneris...
360s for sale
There are two for sale now on Ebay: 120634359876 230538856231 One is a fixed buy it now price at $32,995 and the other one is an auction, interesting to see where the auction ends.
Thanks for the info. Seen it.........
Yes, there would be buyers, same thoughts- to see what comes out at the end.
Let's not fool ourselves...
One big feature of this brand is it's being "FLIPPABLE" and to be honest, it makes this brand attractive in many ways... let's not fool ourselves. How many watches out there can command such following and such a big exchange market and excellent value ret...
I have my doubts
It's so easy to rig the market. The watch itself is nothing to shout about. I "applied" for one, and was rejected. There are 300 of them and we don't know how many applied...let's say 30000 for argument sakes....that's 1000 times oversubscipted. But if PA...