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Jan 13, 2021,19:03 PM
 

An independent watchmaker is put on a pedestal because of what he creates and not because of what he can repair. If collectors are to repose greater faith in these creations and part with their large sums of money to obtain those creations, the service issue is the elephant in the room and indeed is to be addressed.


Two ways ;

The watchmaker has enough apprentices that learn the craft from him ( eg RW.Smith and Daniels) that can continue to develop further and maintain the legacy pieces.

Or; the watchmaker can ensure that someone like AHCI becomes the custodian of the designs and certifies via a postWOSTEP  ( or similar) course that certain brilliant graduates are competent to handle the independent masterpieces. Perhaps the AHCI can design a course and a committee of AHCI can certify the candidates fit for independent watch repairs

To assume that other trained watchmakers may mishandle or destroy a watch would be unfair as even many independent master watchmakers have gotten to what they are now, by virtue of their skills being sharpened by WOSTEP  or ETVJ; or Kelloseppakoulu Finland; or Ecole Horlogere de Paris etc..

If I recall right, Dufour did go to ETVJ and Kari Voutilainen to Kellosppakoulu and then to WOSTEP, Vianney Halter went to EdHP as did FPjourne. Peter Speake Marin, Stephen Forsey ( greubel forsey), Guilio Papi ( Renaud et Papi) and Sarpaneva went to WOSTEP

As long as we have these top schools, and good graduates coming out of those, the AHCI can create a viable center of excellence for independent watch repairs.


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A few lucky ones will get the Vianney Halter Deep Space Resonance..

 
 By: chintu : January 12th, 2021-17:45
A major event in independent horology, that has gone un-noticed in the forum, is the launch of Deep Space Resonance Tourbillon prototype by Vianney Halter just a few days ago. Nothing short of a horological miracle, this watch has been realized by Vianney...  

Amazing... But considering Vianney is a one-man show, what happens to serviceability once he retires?

 
 By: patrick_y : January 12th, 2021-18:00
This amazing piece was definitely noticed by me. And it is indeed a lovely piece.

Same thing with any independent..

 
 By: chintu : January 12th, 2021-18:16
This problem will remain with regard to any independent watch, unless they have corporatized themselves. The same question will hold true of a Dufour or Kari, Roger Smith, Ferdinand Berthoud, David Candaux , Eva Leube ...and many. The important thing is a... 

A Dufour Simplicity can be serviced fairly easily by any competent watchmaker.

 
 By: patrick_y : January 12th, 2021-19:14
But something that is this unusual would be much harder to service. I'm just worried down the road!

A genuine issue of course

 
 By: chintu : January 12th, 2021-19:19
Perhaps the AHCI can make it mandatory for all its members to place the designs and drawings in Escrow to be released by AHCI to WOSTEP after the lifetime of the creator so that students can be trained in the repair of these masterpieces as a unique acade... 

Now that's a good idea!

 
 By: patrick_y : January 12th, 2021-19:21
I like how you're thinking!

Or AHCI could do this..

 
 By: chintu : January 12th, 2021-19:40
Set up the Service Center for repairing AHCI member watches; hire wostep trained watchmakers as staff and get repair royalties as well, to fund the cause of independent watchmaking

Not impossible... But most collectors won't like the idea of students repairing a watch...

 
 By: patrick_y : January 12th, 2021-19:46
Any scratch on the main plate and I'd be furious. Hence I want the original guy to do all the servicing (or at least the original company), so I can say this watch has been taken care of by one person or one company.

Ah yes! Good point!

 
 By: patrick_y : January 12th, 2021-22:40
That shock recorder on the Zweigesicht-1 is very interesting. And it's a good thing he will tell others how to service it!

Love the idea of the AHCI archiving the informations required to service the member's watches.

 
 By: Steyr : January 13th, 2021-13:36
This would be a strong message for the collectors who, sometimes have -exaggerated- doubts related to this.

To archive technical schematics and servicing guides is a step in the right direction, but it doesn't solve all the problems. Concerns are not exaggerated if that collector individual expects excellent service...

 
 By: patrick_y : January 13th, 2021-16:38
A simple movement from an independent should be able to be serviced by any competent watchmaker. But something more complex might be difficult even with the schematics and technical instructions of how to do it. Furthermore, servicers sometimes damage thi... 

Let us look at choices

 
 By: chintu : January 13th, 2021-19:03
An independent watchmaker is put on a pedestal because of what he creates and not because of what he can repair. If collectors are to repose greater faith in these creations and part with their large sums of money to obtain those creations, the service is... 

The problem is this... Owners are ignorant and uneducated, easily fooled...

 
 By: patrick_y : January 14th, 2021-23:25
If a "trainee" scratches a plate, and it's a plate that we don't see, the watch is still flawed, just that we can't see it. I just don't want something "corrupted" in my movement because if it's not visible through the sapphire case back, I will probably ... 

Amazing and a true masterpiece

 
 By: Watchonthewrist : January 13th, 2021-01:34
Envy the one that is able to purchase it 😉

But how many watchmakers are on the team?

 
 By: patrick_y : January 12th, 2021-22:42
It's such a small team. And the watches are so unique... I admire his lovely creations, but I worry about servicing possibilities. Already servicing costs are high and times are long.

Thank you for sharing!

 
 By: patrick_y : January 14th, 2021-11:47

my pleaure

 
 By: SALMANQ8 : January 14th, 2021-15:05

Serviceability doesn't seem to be an issue.

 
 By: Steyr : January 13th, 2021-13:30
To me, the only issues one can find are related to special materials (alloys) and finishing. Alloys are not an issue with Vianney's watches as he's using very common material. Finishing, on the other hand could be trickier. Of course, skills are required,... 

Not unnoticed, just unmentioned... until now!

 
 By: Brandon Skinner : January 12th, 2021-18:26
Thanks for bringing this masterpiece to the forefront

Thanks for the enthusiastic introduction to this remarkable piece of horology! Quite a significant departure from the latest Louis Erard collaboration, and a watch that I'm sure will greatly appeal to many established indie collectors!

 
 By: FabR : January 12th, 2021-18:32
There's no problem if you would like to link to external sites or YT videos that are meaningful to the discussion (unless they are obviously commercial), like you did to VH's own introduction on his website. For the interested readers, the same watch was ... 

Here is the video from thenakedwatchmaker ( an initiative by Peter Speake Marin)

 
 By: chintu : January 12th, 2021-19:02
and a more detailed explanation of this caliber and watch

It has been noticed

 
 By: piccolochimico (aka dsgalaxy1) : January 13th, 2021-04:03
The resonance is not truly appropriate to describe the mechanical, and not physical process by which the 2 escapements are connected

A pure mechanical marvel 🔥🔥

 
 By: holdemchamp1225 : January 13th, 2021-07:51