I gave thought to the issues you raise...

Dec 25, 2009,14:56 PM
 

...before I bought a watch from an independent maker.  Obviously, the more complex, proprietary parts or techniques the watch employs, the more likely it is that you will face challenges servicing it in the long term.  However, I do think many Independents are aware of our concerns as collectors, and thinking about how to face these issues.  For example, when I bought my Habring2 Jumping Seconds (Admittedly, a less complicated watch than the other multi-complication, multi-tourbillon, etc. timepieces available to connoisseurs nowadays.) it was delivered with several replacement parts for the areas of the watch that most often require servicing.  The idea being that should I need to service my watch locally, having the parts on hand might make that task easier. 

I am without a doubt, a fan of the small, independent craftsman.  The key for me is that I am buying not only the watch, but the watchmaker.  I ask myself, do I believe that this person(s) is looking to the future and making plans now that will assist their clients a few years down the road when the watch needs servicing and they themselves may not be around?  Are the in-house movements they are creating designed to confound future generations of watchmakers, or are they building movements that will facilitate servicing by a well-trained watch repairer 10, 20...40 years into the future? 

Buy the watchmaker, not just the watch.

This is just my opinion, of course.  The future is always uncertain, and undoubtedly buying a watch from a larger company with a long, established history and commitment to making parts available for every model they make for 50 years or more, is probably going to give you more peace of mind in regard to the issues you raised.  Still, despite the uncertainty I know I haven't bought my last watch from an Independent.  smile

Are you considering a watch from an Independent?  There are so many awesome examples IMO.  Some of my favorites are: Habring2 (manual-wind Jumping Seconds and Tourbillon 3D), De Bethune (DB 26), Peter Speake-Marin (Shimoda), Romain Gauthier (white gold Collection Prestige), Roger W. Smith (Series 2), Kari Voutilainen (Observatoire), and the tourbillon from the McGonigle brothers.

Cheers,

Daos 

My favorite Independent.

My favorite Independent.

An Independent I would like to add to my collection!

An Independent I would like to add to my collection!


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Happy holidays and a question about smaller independent brands...

 
 By: DSD : December 25th, 2009-06:52
Was pondering this the other night and thought I would pose the question here. Forgive me if this has already been a prior topic of conversation. In essence, what I am curious to know, is if you ever have any concern about such things as repairability, ac... 

I gave thought to the issues you raise...

 
 By: dxboon : December 25th, 2009-14:56
...before I bought a watch from an independent maker. Obviously, the more complex, proprietary parts or techniques the watch employs, the more likely it is that you will face challenges servicing it in the long term. However, I do think many Independents ...  

Thanks

 
 By: DSD : December 25th, 2009-15:36
Thanks, Daos. Very thoughtful response. So many wonderful watched

Well said Daos

 
 By: Quan : December 25th, 2009-17:59
you bring up all the question I also asking myself and : - should I get a piece all make in house which will lead to the service issue in the future - if not then am I buying because of the case and dial design as the movement is from the very standard on... 

Daos thank you for your wisdom.....................

 
 By: Topcat30093 : December 25th, 2009-23:11
I too have thought long and hard about such issues and came up with the same conclusions. For me the thought of owning such beautiful timepieces as well as becoming part of the history of the brand is a huge bonus.

You give me too much credit!

 
 By: dxboon : December 28th, 2009-17:55
It's not wisdom, my friend, just opinion. I don't know what the future will bring for any of us in terms of our watch collecting, and the challenges we may face. I do love the Independents though! Cheers, Daos

I'll look forward to seeing what you pick up next, Quan!

 
 By: dxboon : December 28th, 2009-17:50
You've always got something cool on your wrist! Cheers, Daos

Yes, I have a manual-wind version.

 
 By: dxboon : December 27th, 2009-21:54
I love the timepiece. It's mesmerizing to watch. Cheers, Daos

Erwin Sattler Secunda Accurata Jumping Seconds Watch

 
 By: VPREGULATOR : December 27th, 2009-23:11
I chanced upon an Erwin Sattler jumping seconds watch by Richard Habring and fell in love with it. It s now on my wrist. Its actually modified from the Valjoux 7750 movement and Richard Habring is very proud of this watch as it actually won 3rd prize in s... 

Thank you for the info .... good to have you back

 
 By: Ares501 - Mr Green : December 27th, 2009-23:49
hope all is OK .... and all the best in new year looking forward to see more posts of your great pieces in 2010 Best Damian

PANERAI 9000L

 
 By: VPREGULATOR : December 28th, 2009-00:13
Hi Damien I've got another big piece the Panerai P9000 series L AT 44 mm Will post photos later. Meanwhile my Erwin Sattler.. No 09 ... This message has been edited by VPREGULATOR on 2009-12-28 00:22:24...  

Super!

 
 By: dxboon : December 28th, 2009-17:43
Love the movement shot in particular! It does bring a smile... Cheers, Daos

Do you have plans to ever get the matching clock?

 
 By: doubleup : January 7th, 2010-23:03
Great watch BTW

Secunda Accurata Jumping Seconds Watch

 
 By: VPREGULATOR : January 8th, 2010-18:07
Gosh - do you know how much the clock costs? It'll certainly break my bank.. I believe Erwin Sattler has plans to get a high profile watch critic to give his views on this watch. So watch the news.

WOW just looked, I'd stick with the watch. [nt]

 
 By: doubleup : January 9th, 2010-14:40
No message body

This is the jump seconds regulator, right?

 
 By: dxboon : December 28th, 2009-08:46
That's a great-looking timepiece in pictures! I'd love to see it in person. I really admire Richard, his work ethic, and beliefs about making dependable, well-functioning watches. Do you have any pictures of your new Erwin Sattler? Congrats on the purchas... 

Secunda Accurate Pictures

 
 By: VPREGULATOR : December 28th, 2009-17:31
Its a great piece - you should see the amount of work done through the back crystal. Lovely at 44mm . The pictures I have already posted.

Did you get a pair of matching numbers ...

 
 By: Kong : December 29th, 2009-19:49
for the watch and a clock? Glad to see you are back. Happy Holidays to you and family. Kong PS : Shot a few quick pics of Richard Mülle's Regulateur Classica Secunda when he was here recently, show us more of yours when have time. home.watchprosite.com

ERWIN SATTLER CLOCK

 
 By: VPREGULATOR : December 29th, 2009-23:49
Hello Kong There was this clock with the same number serial number 09 but its price was way too high and being only a month runner I gave up the idea.. My current regulator by Karl Sartori runs for 3 months and has a similar Invar pendulum. Not bad for a ... 

Not sure how is the ...

 
 By: Kong : December 30th, 2009-02:05
Hi VPRegulator Not sure how is the response here but I do wish the pricing to be more attractive. Understand it is promising in HK. Last round when Richard was here, he mentioned he had installed the Opus Temporis (Perpetual Calendar with Striking mechani... 

Karl Sartori

 
 By: VPREGULATOR : December 30th, 2009-03:28
Karl Sartori - He's the highly respected German mathematician and clock maker. Just locate my friend Gerhard Enzi (another authority on precision regulators in Austria) and he will give you all the info you ever need.

Thank you. [nt]

 
 By: Kong : December 30th, 2009-20:12
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Getting back to the original question.....

 
 By: asg : December 28th, 2009-12:17
HI I have thought long and hard about this topic - have discussed it with collectors on a few different continents - these are my views on buying from independants.... It depends. Do you know a watchmaker (local) who can service complex movements - can fa... 

Thanks

 
 By: DSD : December 28th, 2009-16:33
Appreciate hearing your perspective. Makes sense to me.

I really enjoyed reading your post

 
 By: dxboon : December 28th, 2009-18:06
Thank you for your thoughts. I found them very enlightening, and think it will be interesting to see what happens to watches made from the new, high tech materials you bring up in your post. Cheers, Daos

More than a decade or so ago...

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : December 29th, 2009-06:35
there were only two companies in Europe which could manufacture CDs - now everybody can burn them on the home computer. This trickling down of technology could happen with Silicium parts as well, so the issue of replacement parts becomes almost a non-brai... 

Hi Magnus...You make a very valid point....

 
 By: asg : December 29th, 2009-07:38
But, the widespread use of the CD was much greater at its "birth" than the use of silicium or silicon or other for watches......I agree that at some point, everything is replaceable, for a price. The CD has been out for twenty years plus??? So, maybe in t...