Horological Meandering

What happened? Thank you Cheers This message has been edited by MTF on 2010-06-03 02:04:09 This message has been edited by ThomasM on 2010-06-04 08:46:11 This message has been edited by AnthonyTsai on 2010-06-04 10:50:36 This message has been edited by MT... 

and too "amateurish." Far be it for us to insist on being "helpful." Cheers, TM

Although I think that it is a pity...... It is also strange as a couple of weeks ago, the NYC boutique manager introduced herself to the forum and offered her assistance..... Cheers This message has been edited by PinkPanther on 2010-06-03 01:11:55

The following quote is clearly wrong (at best) and Obfuscation, if I was less generous: "Suddenly, The PuristsPro decided to charge the brands for a significant amount of money otherwise they would close the forum." - FPJ HQ. NO....NO....NO. We get a lot ... 

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But one we have to respect. The only thing I see on "all" fora, is that lately there seems less response to his products... Dirk

Does the existence of a brand forum require a company's sanction? Or by "support" do we mean "sponsorship"? I suppose the question is, can we not "go it alone"?

1) Products that are of horlogical merit or attractive to PuristS, in order to get a worthy and passionate moderator. 2) Manufacturer, Watchmaker or Executive that are 'PuristS' in their heart; in the way they say AND do things to promote haute horlogerie... 

Was Journe's decision planned for some time or a sudden one? Thank you Cheers

Just to be clear so you don't have to wonder. PuristSPro Management closed the forum after almost a year of assessment and monitoring of the brand's ability to fulfil the three criteria. Of course, like a guillotine, the final decision only takes a second... 

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...while I haven't visited the FP Journe forum often enough, having just attracted to his creations and made my very first posts there last week, it is really disappointing to learn about the news. I scanned through many posts within the last few days, an... 

I'm not sad, nor am I insulted. I am disappointed that my favorite online community will not include a forum dedicated to one of my favorite watchmakers. What is difficult to get my head around is how such a clearly gifted watchmaker could be so wrong abo... 

If this is really what he said, in what context he said so? I thought the relationship between the brand and the forum is always cordial and built on mutual respect foundation. I could be wrong then. Regards Ling

The explanation is cryptic and coded. It is conclusory. Thomas, et al, if you felt the necessity of offering an explanation for the rupture of relations with F.P. Journe, I think you are then duty bound to give the relevant factual background instead of a... 

Why can't one see the previous posts? Thank you Cheers

There was sooooo much info in there, a wealth of FP knowledge.. OMG the pictures alone...

Such a shame really.... I adore the forum and contributions from everyone. The PuristS Journe forum was a real home to many and to me. A getaway from stresses of life, and place to discuss & share the passion of FP Journe. Urgh. Sad really. *smacks fo... 

a.k.a. ' bs22fly ' for his sterling contribution as the most recent moderator on the defunct PuristSPro FP Journe Forum . Brad will retain his moderator-at-large status until he finds a brand forum that he is comfortable with. We would also like to thank ...  

as without places like here how can the brand become closer to its clients, when you start thinking you are above everyone else sometimes it may actually be a step backwards, i actually really like FP Journe and have one on my wish list but hearing that w... 

something due to a certain reason then that reason shouldnt be thrown at pursits pro. Faisal

He will reconsider..... Cheers

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Participating in this forum has been a privilege. I've been grateful to be active in this community which has resulted in numerous friendships around the world. I'm disappointed by the news but understand. Today was meant to be a happy day as I added a ne...  

on your "new" watch..... Gorgeous.... Was the decision by Journe a sudden one or was it planned? Thank you for your work & efforts in the forum... Cheers

Dear Brad, Thanks for all your steady hard work on the Journe Forum. I can honestly say that I have read every thread ever posted there and looked forward to the day when I could add my own Journe timepiece to the family. That day will still come, but it ... 

It brings me sadness whenever we close down any of our forums, but I still hope one day we will re-open the Journe forum. Hopefully Mr Journe realizes the work you've done and the passion from the community is deemed worthy of his support. Best, Anthony

. . . the sudden shock. All I can muster is to say thanks for your hard work and unrequited devotion. Any manufacturer should be proud to have a forum moderated with the skill and dedication you demonstrated day in and day out. I hope you can make a retur... 

I have always enjoyed your posts and passion for FPJ watches. It's unfortunate that the forum is closing, but I hope someday in the future we'll see it revitalized with you at the helm again. I think few people understand how much behind-the-scenes time a... 

.. for reasons other than that lovely black CS. Brad, thank you very much indeed for all of your energy, enthusiasm and effort over the years. This Journe owner did not consider there to be anything in the least 'amateurish' in your dedication to the caus... 

appropriate flavor profile for your neck of the woods? Congrats on that SWEET black CS, it looks awesome on your wrist. As a fellow mod (who also lost support from a brand he loves), I can empathize with the difficult and conflicted feelings you may have ... 

I don't know what to say ... if 2mm makes a difference ...I think you have contributed a lot in bringing knowledge and interest to many, at least to me, about FPJ watches. Thanks again for the very good work. The 38mm looks very natural and nice on your w... 

While I'm a moderator-at-large you can still follow what's on my wrist daily. Look for BS22FLY on Twitter!

Like to thank Brad for a great job and his efforts..... Cheers

And hope he will find another brand to moderate! There are so many which would need to be moderated! Best, Nicolas

for many months and participated in the assessment and decision. Regards, MTF

I guess it is not an happy end for him. Best, Nicolas.

Why does this moderator always have 2 ladies with him on every photo we could find? Looks happy enough..... MTF This message has been edited by MTF on 2010-06-03 07:51:56...  

for the life after the inevitable? Just a thought. Could also be compensation measures... Magnus

I was informed of impending decision but this was ultimately between the PuristSpro management team and FP Journe. I hope one day this forum will reopen.

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We have seen plenty of brands and Forums come and go over the years, but F.P.Journe is a brand that epitomizes all that Purists is about (I thought). Passion, ingenuity, design, creativity, originality and a certain historical reverence. Brad (and Felipe ... 

FPJ, PP and ALS are three of my favorite brands. Now it is almost like I am missing something when I log on to the Purists site. Two years ago we had a dinner among watch collectors in HK and we jokingly dubbed it 'Independents Day'. 90% of the timepieces... 

Is this a decision by Journe to close just our forum or forums in general? This is a shocker and i think Mr Journe should be ashamed. The majority of the usual suspects in the Journe forum have genuine love for the brand and the watches and I consider it ... 

I suspect I can't name the forum here, but it is a very well known forum and should not be hard to find. Oh and just from what I have read so far, it seems this was a PP management decision, not an FPJ decision to close the forum. I agree with others thou... 

Hi Al, I see no reason why we can't mention Time Zone here. Sure, we can't link to outside sites, but the TZ denizens are horological fanatics just like us. There is no 'us' and 'them', there are just two groups of people (with much overlap) who are inter... 

We had an open policy for a very long time. We finally got sick and tired of having a one way open policy, especially after repeated attempts by me and others to "let bygones be bygones." The last straw was when I made one last attempt to reach out to a v... 

Al, you have been a guest here, and as a result have sold some watches. We have NEVER forced you or even pressured you to do anything for this site, monetarily or otherwise, other than to ask you to respect local posting rules and protocols. The very leas... 

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I will use this, my very first post after years of Forum reading pleasure, buying wonderful pieces from "top blokes" through Collectors Market and my admiration for almost all things Journe, to quote Wilde - "The only thing worse than being talked about, ... 

Could this be a strategic (though IMO misguided) company move to become less web-dependent? It reminds me of Mr. Journe's remarks at the FHH conference which we reprinted here, wherein he stated that he did not see the internet becoming a serious part of ... 

soley because of the internet. If it weren't for the original PuristS forum, I would never have heard of Lange, GO, or JLC nor bought 2 Langes, 2 GOs and a JLC. I own two Rolex, once again with the help of the internet. I frequented the FP Journe site qui... 

Forgive me if I sound rude; that is not my intent. First, Brad my friend, thank you for all your work and diligence with the Journe forum. I look forward to seeing you soon. Thomas, Anthony, and Melvyn: Obfuscation seems to overshadow this decision. The w... 

But whatever the reason, this is a loss for all parties involved. I'll be interested to see whether this occurs elsewhere, but I suspect it won't because of different criteria for justifying a manufactures' forum. DJK

And I know nothing of any back story or similar - Its a slap in the face to all of us who have been here since the begining....and who have joined since. I dont like being slapped in the face.

including that there must be a further back story here that is skimmed over by statement of 3 criteria for holding a brand forum. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail, especially with so many eloquent comments of concern regarding this action. As others ha... 

And as criterion #3 shows, that tension manifests in questions of who controls the content on a forum, and more specifically, who has the right to censor or moderate posts. I can only infer that this is the key issue in FPJ's withdrawal of support for the... 

I'm a quiet lurker but this time I have to write... While I share Douglas's view, I don't want to make a fuss since the decision has been made. Journe forum is one of my favorite places to be. It is this very forum that brought me to Journe. Sooo heartbre... 

innovative watchmakers of recent times. There is more to online watch forums and I would argue PuristsPro is far from amateurish. Indeed, I know several 'print' journalists who refer to on-line forums first, and then research other elements. Print media j... 

Having read through the thread, I find myself in complete agreement with the thought process that has very nicely been put on this page by Douglas just above.

I agree with the general sentiment expressed here about the loss of this forum but would be slow to attribute fault to anyone in particular. PuristSPro has a scope within which it is comfortable and FPJ / Montres Journe SA also has a scope within which it... 

And sad to read about the shortsightedness of Mr. Journe's lack of support of the forum. But on a happier note: job well done to Brad who has given tremendous effort, hard work, and passion as moderator. And congrats to Brad on his new watch! Enjoy and go... 

bs22fly - thks fr your efforts, enjoyed all your posts and your advice one the centigraph, something i am still weighing. hope to see FPJ forum restart someday.

to see this source of info on one of our times most inventive watchmakers cease to flow. I hope it will not be long 'til the forum is reopened. Don

accept the closure of this wonderful forum. Without knowing the true and complete story, all I can say right now is a big "THANK YOU" to Brad for your great job as the moderator. I hope I can see you around in Hong Kong, better in Prince Building, SOON. Z... 

Whether there was a "straw that broke the camel's back", Journe has a very strong back - and the camel was designed by a committee. As for negotiations that went on for months with a favorite Moderator here, what was there to negotiate about? Not likely t... 

I for one am going to ensure that my opinion is reflected by how I swing my pocketbook. You can bet for sure that I will not be spending any money with Journe from this point forward. He obviously doesnt like "me" and "my friends" here on the purists. com... 

You know this is "normal" for me. Although, the xanax on my desk looks mighty tasty..... If you aren't a little bit pissed, well, I'll take it up with you on the 10th. BTW - where is the repeater I have been waiting for? Oh - i wish i would have bought th... 

i think you are totally correct buy from who cares about its clients

A post on "the other Journe Forum" regarding the closure of the P*****S Journe Forum was completely deleted before I could blink. Isn't this situation of relevance to all individuals interested in horology in general, and Journe in particular? A

Sorry I can't afford the Tourbillon

This is sad news indeed and as already mentioned by a few, it's impossible to really understand the decision without knowing the underlying details. However as a Journe customer and a (relatively new) member of a community that is by its nature meant to e... 

And a bit sad. I'm going to miss it.

After being a moderator on PPro now for a few months, I've come to understand the importance of mutual support between brand and forum. Sure one can exist without the other, but it's when you have them both that true benefits can be reaped on both sides. ... 

you have to be around otherwise we will play else where

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but why do you need to lock down the whole playground? Not even allowing eager hungry knowledge seekers to peek at the playground. I just wish you close the forum for any new post, but let it open for us to still take a peek at all the knowledge there. Fo... 

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I believe you have the power to 'force' the GM of this site to read my post Just kidding, don't ban me, don't kick me. cen@jkt

There are reasons why when we close down a forum, that forum's contents remain inaccessible. Your posts are not deleted, just temporarily inaccessible (just like what happened with Harry Winston forum). I do not want to go into details of why we do this, ... 

Never in my right mind asking you to change the policy, but her forcing the management to read my post. And read you did . Life goes on cen@jkt

Your daughter is very lucky.

I came across this site about 2 years ago when I was bit by the bug. Because of that forum I will one day (hopefully) own one of his watches, that is the plan at least. I am sure there is more to it then what is on the surface with his quote. I hope so at... 

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Except these people ... This message has been edited by cazalea on 2010-06-03 14:05:47...  

...but Journe looks a little sad too!

I thought this was one of the most informative forums of all. Thanks to the moderator(s) for the great work and I hope it gets reopened. Andreas

Hopefully we can all continue our various interesting discussions like the one you started.

I don't know how it came to this and I hope miscommunication/misinterpretation was not involved. I hope fresh dialogue can continue and the forum will reopen soon. This would be to the benefit of all. Thanks to Brad for his work even though I was not a pa... 

My web browser has one bookmark labeled "ThePuristS" with URL mob.watchprosite.com . Normally I come to visit here every day, and most of the days my first click after I get here is on the link to Journe forum. Today when I got here, I saw this thread on ...