ThomasM
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Al, your thin skin on his matter belies the inherent hypocrisy in your position.

If you want to take the self-righteous position of being a wronged individual, okay, you've had your say (as Mr. Journe had his.) I will leave your post up, unedited, same as I left Mr. Journe's.

It was the hope of PuristSPro management that this whole thing would die down, and over time be shown to be the tempest in the teapot it really is. Afterall, the decision was made by PuristSPro management to not continue to support a dedicated brand forum for a brand who did not feel it worth their time to "support" (and again, not only in a monetary way, as will be detailed shortly. ) At no point did we say, or even imply, that the brand or its products should be boycotted, and we made explicitly clear, by site precedent and I believe in that thread, that even though a brand does not have a dedicated brand forum here on PuristSPro does not mean it can't be discussed, with great passion, on HoMe.

Mr. Journe chose not to "support" (again, support in all its glory, not just monetarily) the dedicated brand forum, we chose not to continue to "support" it as well. If the namesake individual doesn't care enough, why should we? and discussions would thereafter be held, in the general discussion area of "HoMe."

It really was that simple. WHAT THE HELL IS THE PROBLEM?!?

And then the shit storm hit, by people who knew NOTHING of the background, details, and really, should have known better than to be DEMANDING rather than polite and respectful, in voicing their displeasure.

The ironic point in all that? I find it greatly ironic AND DISTURBING that WE (the owners and management of PuristSPro) go so out of our way to enforce the tenor of respectfulness and politeness of comments towards a brand and its products, even in the face of frankly justified vilification when products don't work, hands fall off, SAV service experiences suck and to add insult to injury, this crappy service is attached to a ridiculous "service charge" total. (previous comments may or may not include Montres Journe specifically. No, this is not cryptic, it is what it is. Period.)

Wait a minute, you want me to not be cryptic? Okay, fine (I had another F word in mind; is this cryptic?) yes, it includes products and experiences from Montres Journe.

Thanks to all those who gave us the benefit of the doubt, and yes, if you wished, you could have asked, POLITELY AND RESPECTFULLY, without accusing, for more background.

To those that didn't give us the benefit of the doubt, WTF? Do you remember where you are?!? If you suspect us so much, if you don't get our driving principles or question our motives and decision making, even after 9 years of hopefully (we are human, afterall) consistent policies and standards, WHY THE HECK ARE YOU HERE? (I wanted to use a stronger F word)

Having a dedicated brand forum was an honor and courtesy extended to friends (in the past) and sponsors (in the present) whom we felt worthy.  Yes, WHOM WE FEEL WORTHY.  (see MTF's criteria)

A brand which we do not feel worthy, cannot, even for (cue Doctor E-vil's voice) FIVE BILLION DOLLARS, have a dedicated brand forum.

More on that issue later, but Al, here's the problem -

You felt your original post in the thread was somehow completely "innocent" and did not deserve the response you got from me.

I would say that, under any other circumstances, I might not have responded, or called you on it, but there was indeed reason for me to respond to you and not to the many other posts in that thread.

Since you chose not to let sleeping dogs lie...

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I know of one other FPJ forum that is still open

Date: Jun 03, 2010,13:31 PM -  (view entire thread)

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As you were already well aware of the throwing around of the word "cryptic" - others had used it already in that thread, and you used it yourself, the word "cryptic" had very specific meanings and innuendo as used in that context, and as a result, in the context of that thread, to not be "cryptic" one either needed to be completely clear and transparent, or not say anything at all. To do anything less in that thread, risked being accused of being "cryptic" or hypocritical, or worse. (I'll leave what could be worse to the imagination. Accuse me of being "cryptic" if you wish, this is a different context)

Al, you knew enough to "suspect I can't name the forum here, but it is a very well known forum and should not be hard to find."

ummmm...Al, do I have to beat this issue over the head with a sledgehammer? Is the inherent "cryptic" hypocrisy not clear enough, or do I have to beat it to a bloody pulp?

Do you honestly think that by referring to something "just short of explicitly" but not crossing over the line, is somehow okay?

And, let me mince no words here, Al, being the busy body that you felt you needed to be in that thread, at what point did any of the PuristSPro management say, or even imply, that our action had anything to do with any other site than PuristSPro? By taking the cue from those who, innocently, might have drawn the mistaken conclusion that ALL internet Journe forums were being closed, and pointing out that other such forums were still open, put you in the interesting position of directly undermining OUR decision to close OUR Journe forum, for the reasons stated above (and which will be clarified PAINFULLY CLEARLY later).

The "sting" in your comments that elicited my original reply to you?

"Oh and just from what I have read so far, it seems this was a PP management decision, not an FPJ decision to close the forum.  I agree with others though it would be good to see the whole story behind this, rather than just the cryptic comments....you might want to hold onto your watches until we know the whole story."

In any other context, I'd probably have let your whole post go, unaddressed.

In the heated moment of that thread, where I / we felt passionately attacked and accused, without foundation, our values and principles questioned, that was the wrong time for that post.

What made matters worse, we felt hamstrung by protocols of civility that we would not be able to fully explain the entire offensive nature of Mr. Journe's last communication to us, and the preceding rude and disrespectful complete lack of communication from his side, despite numerous polite attempts to establish communication from our side, leading up to it.

So, don't be a hypocrite - if you think that my comments to you could be "harmful" to your reputation, you must also be able to see how your comments about us in the context of that thread could be "harmful" to us, by the thinly veiled innuendo.

If you can't see it, you are a hypocrite and thus are no longer welcome here. (take this any way you want, I am too shell shocked and tired to care at this point.)

As Arthur wrote, there are two sides to every story (or more) and you've had your say.

As this matter is far less important to me than the Journe situation, and as I am nearly exhausted and nearly completely discouraged by that sordid situation where the asshole is trying to come out smelling like a rose, I will not waste more time nor energy on this.

If you think this is still somewhere you enjoy spending time, please feel welcome to stay.

If not, please feel free to leave.

But if you can't get over this, it might be better if you chose the latter.

TM

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