Jack Forster
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Now, hold on, stick to your guns . . . ;-)
The assertion you made is potentially a legitimate one according to the terms of the original post, which, after all, asks what watches one thinks represent value for money. We are obliged to some degree therefore to consider price points relative to what we perceive to be the value offered. I don't think it at all inappropriate to make the assertion, as such, that Rolex offers poor value for the dollar relative to other watches; what I suggest (and it is merely a suggestion) is that for the assertion to be meaningful, we must first agree on what value is, and on whether or not there is some reasonably objective framework within which we can discuss a correlation between value and price.
And I think that the more you consider such a matter, the more slippery coming up with such an agreement (on what constitutes value) and such a framework (an objective correlation of value and price) will seem.
Cheers,
JF
Value for money ...
Hi All, I am interested to hear which watch in your collection you feel has provided the greatest value for money . I am not placing any restrictions on this. You can interpret ‘value for money’ in any way you wish and at any price point. While not cheap ...
I guess ALL our watches are value for money, Andrew
Because, if they weren't, we wouldn't include them in our collection, don't you think? Well, here I will only focus on 3 watches which are, TO ME, real value for money: 1/ Without any surprise, the JLC MMR: Not only a great, original watch and a bargain, ...
The more.....
I see your JLC MMR, the more I admire it I enjoyed your report that you posted on your watch some weeks ago I hope that your are enjoying it cheers
I'm completely crazy about it, Pink Panther
That is the jewel of my collection, indeed. And be sure that I ejoy every minute I wear it. Best, and thanks for your nice words! Nicolas
Value for money is of course very subjective,but...
...from all the watches in my collection it is this Chopard Luc Twist that gets my vote: The finishing of both the white gold case and the movement (with Geneva seal) is stunning and equal to most of what I have seen from other high-end watch companies. T...
Great watch Gerard. Please do share some more pics in our Chopard forum
if you have the time Cheers, Anthony
Speedmaster?
Andrew, Good post. I'd suggest the Omega Speedmaster as a good candidate and suspect that you may agree judging by your post elsewhere ;o) Whether modern (although the new price has gone up a bit I think) or vintage i think they offer great value. Regards...
I can’t disagree with you, Vernon …
If one measure of ‘value for money’ is versatility, then the Speedmaster delivers. I kid myself that I can ‘dress down’ the La Tradition and wear it with jeans, but really it is a flashy dress watch. The Speedy is as close to a ...
Interesting question...
given that I only collect vintage watches, I have found that there are two possible categories of "good value". The first would be that rare circumstance under which the seller of the watch simply does not recognize its true value. The second, and more in...
Fine selection of Seikos
A certainly a great value. Love my old 6309. Need to get a Grand Seiko.
One standout in my collection
There are a lot of ways to view this from the point of view of a vintage collector Getting an absolutely NIB perfect vintage watch that you have been seeking is value for money, even if you have to pay a considerable price for it. And then there are some ...
In my case...
after some years buying watches that finally gone out home, I think that the members of my actually family are value for money... 1) A new watch, a rare watch if you can say it, but a great pleasure to wear... an actual and future rare bird... 2) A stunni...
The sentimental value is the best, Emilio
It is truely one of the biggest reason which explains why you keep a watch... Tastes can change, but not this reason. Well said, my friend. Eeeh, by the way, what did I read? You may consider adding anotherr FF in your collection??? It recalls me a conver...
True Nicolas
One of the biggest reason which explains why I keep a watch is the sentimental feeling that I have with it. There are another feelings too, but this one is important.... all of us have a sentimental feeling with one or more of our watches, and it doesn´t ...
On the same line, Emilio.
As for the Blancpain FF, take yout time...Giving it a brother normally requires 9 months. Best, Nicolas
Thanks my friend...
if you choose a vintage FF... you´ll do well!. A watch that will give you moments of pleasure. Best Emilio.
Easy for me ...
Since i have not a lot to choose from i can consider these four watches as good value for money ... The two old Alpina's on top i should say ... ridiculisly low in price but accurate to less than half a minute per week ... and some kind of history ... A S...
Yes, Filip
Agree on your selection. I think that I shoudl have included the Longines in my selection, because this was the watch which the ùore amazed me by its ratio quality / price. Best, my other Hermano! Nicolas
Héhe
I think your biggest problem is to try and remember what watches you have in stock ... LOL You're a lucky B .... Filip
I'm with Filip on this one...
...the Longines Legend Diver is the best buy out there right now in terms of the amount of watch you get vs. the money you fork over to purchase it (IMO only, of course). Cheers, Daos...
Vintage Omegas
Particularly the 55x or 56x calibres. Magnificent movements and still very affordable.
You've definitely got the proof.
Really enjoyed seeing your Omegas Saturday. Best, Jed
Yes, 18k Omega Constellation...
... for about USD1,000. Every parts are original except the leather strap. Says who "good things are not cheap, cheap things are not good"? Regards Ling
Breguet for me
From the AD experience to the details of the watches, I feel that Breguet is the best value for the money. Not talking about resale value here but buying a piece of luxury and beautiful craft.
This may get me thrown off this forum
But tradition, proprietary movement, and so many other things aside, this has been keeping to +-5 seconds a day, has a quite nice fit and finish and is 1/60th the price of the cheapest Breguet. Seagull 2504 movement. A lot of value for the money on a fund...
RED ALERT ! RED ALERT !!!!
Moderators, please kick this one off ... LOLOLOL ... . mrsnak, technically spoken, you're right. An accuracy like that for that price gives you the best value for money ... and a Tourbillon also !!! Best, Filip
. . . or, you might get nominated as the next moderator . . .
. . . ;-) . . . respectfully, Art
In some ways....
Timex could be said to have more tradition than some of the re-invented brands. VFM, for sure. Now I need to post a photo of the the 6105-8110 Seiko I got for nothing....infinite value for money.
Not a doubt in my mind, Andrew . . .
. . . it's gotta be the Karree Panodate . . . . . . because this movement, in my humble opinion . . . . . . is quite special at the asking price . . . cordially, Art...
Art, this one is absolutely beautiful.
You are right to say that the movement is gorgeous. This black dial version is very high on my wish list (as "unfortunately" quite a few of the GO offerings...). Regards, Gerard
What about Rolex?
hello again! I've noticed lately on my travels that some sports Rolex that not so long ago you either had a very long wait for or had to pay a premium if you wanted one quickly now seem to be openly available in dealers windows (Green sub, Deepsea, Explor...
i hate to disagree with you Vernon, but i dont believe any Rolex is VFM
take the sub for example. there are hundreds of examples of divers watches that are as accurate, have same or better depth rating with excellent finish for far less money. forget the in-house movement, its not relevant, forget the history, Landrover lived...
It was only a passing thought.....
Graham, No need for apologies - I was sort of being devils advocate by suggesting this - wanted to see what the reaction was!! The MIH is a very good suggestion for this thread though so no arguments from me - always pops up when value is discussed. See y...
Actually, I can easily see how one might feel Rolex offers value for money...
for me, the defining equation is very simple - value for money=the spread between intrinsic value and the "market price" (what it is being offered to me for) for some, intrinsic value may include things like prestige, recognizability by others, "coveted" ...
Understood, Thomas - perhaps the category of 'vfm' . . .
. . . should be broken down to 'ovfm' and 'svfm' - objective and subjective vfm, respectively. In purely objective terms, the Karree Panodate is a typical current production model with average residual value, putting it at the mid to low end of vfm. My re...
Good to separate …
Thanks Thomas and Art, y ou have helped focus my thinking on this. It is helpful to separate out the more objective aspects (materials used, fit and finish reflecting workmanship, resale value, etc.) from the subjective aspects (emotional reactions, beaut...
I wouldn't mind having Steve McQueen's Submariner, Andrew . . .
rolex.watchprosite.com 0 . . . but the watch I'd really like to have is President Lincoln's, with the poignant inscription left by a watchmaker upon hearing of the start of the Civil War . . . cordially, Art
I saw the comments about the dial but ...
... I somehow thought it would be much more beaten up than that. Maybe Steve, looked after his watches as well as we do? A
I agree--MIH is my pick
I don't think this watch can be beat for the money--incredible combination of complications, created by horological geniis, simple and superb design, and absolutely wearable no matter the circumstances. Cheers, Daniel...
Don't agree
For me Rolex has an excellent value for money. At least because when you need to sell a Rolex, you don't lose a lot of dollars. That's not the case of almost all the other brands. Fr.Xavier
I personally find a lot of VFM in Rolex. . .
. . . partly on a personal, sentimental, brand level (early conditioning is hard to break, and I can't help it, I just get a kick out of that little cyclops date magnifier ;-) ) and on another level, I would respectfully disagree that the in house movemen...
Jack, my comment was just...
Jack, my comment was just my own opinion and i thought it would get some backlash. what i would say is that to many people a $1000 divers watch with eta 2824 inside it and high quality german made case has to be better value for money than a $4000 watch. ...
slippery slope...
what about $800 watch with pretty much the same as the $1000 watch you describe? What about $500? What about a high quality China made case? Price vis a vis VFM is a very slippery slope... Cheers, TM
Thomas, your quite right. putting...
Thomas, your quite right. putting a value on something was not a wise thing to do. i should have stuck with my MIH as VFM comment :) suitably chastised Graham
Now, hold on, stick to your guns . . . ;-)
The assertion you made is potentially a legitimate one according to the terms of the original post, which, after all, asks what watches one thinks represent value for money. We are obliged to some degree therefore to consider price points relative to what...
Jack, i stick by my...
Jack, i stick by my original opinion on the VFM(or not) of the Rolex brand, what i agree with Thomas on was that i was wrong to bring monetary figures into the post. he is quite correct that once you start on a figure its easy to slide all the way to noth...
Risky business ...
Thanks Thomas and Graham and Jack for entering into this discussion in the spirit in which I meant the question. After wearing an Omega Speedmaster for the last 3 weeks (longer than I have ever done so in one stretch, but I know you would approve, Jack) I...
PP ABR for me
No fancy or complicated movement, better than most in finishing for the same price point, came with a nice packaging , and to top it all a special buckle made for us. What more can I ask?...
Nomos Tangomat...
A different league from the Breguet but IMO an awful lot of bang for the buck....
Got mine on now!!
This is a great suggestion! I've got two and love em both. They're pretty accurate too!! Ticks lots of boxes for me - including the 'value' box. Vernon.
My watches value for money will be about any watches
I forget about their worth values. In this I am lucky because most of the watches I own are watches of which their market values is an hidden interest but not the reason I chose then for. Mind you for some of the pieces I own the acquisition price was an ...
Two Chopards For Me
I will interpret as value for the money as watches I can buy pre-owned at fantastic prices relative to what you are getting in return. The Chopard Pro One diver easily fits the bill here. Pre-owned pricing is absurdly low and compared to its competition i...
My beloved one
for a) fun reasons - 55mm diameter and still wearable b) emotional reasons - gift of my brother for gaining my PhD degree while he was still student aka unemployed c) social reasons - "the conversation starter" piece about watches d) family reasons - look...
55mm Biggie
Thats what I call a real biggie And I thought my Wyler was a good size,but being tantalum is real heavy. Thanks for the shots.
They all were a "good value", but only one . . .
. . . would be replaced with an exact copy if it were ever lost or stolen. There must be some value there or I wouldn't be so crazy about it It's a Minerva from the 1990s. Jeff...
That’s a nice way to think about it, Jeff …
Hypothetically, when the insurance company pays out for all your watches that had been stolen in a burglary, which ones would you actually replace? [A rhetorical question that you don’t need to answer.] That Minerva is classic simplicity. Beautiful. What ...
Hi Andrew,
It's 39MM. The watch wears tallish due to it's vertical sides and wears large because of the thin bezel. It's my upper limit for size/height and I almost didn't keep it because of the size issue. Glad that I did though. Here's an ill-timed wrist shot just...
For me...
value for money is the watch that I wear and enjoy the most and the one that I will give my son when he gets his first job. I have not decided which one it will be- but the one that I will give him, it would be the best money that I have spent on a watch ...
Well said, Pink Panther . . .
. . . that's the best definition of value of all . . . respectfully, Art