A Different Perspective: Multi-brand VS Mono-brand Stores...

Aug 08, 2023,20:08 PM
 

A lot of people have opinions.  And a lot of people think their opinion is right.  But these people often don't consider other perspectives and the valid opinions of those perspectives.  Thus, this post is designed to help build some empathy for the industry professionals who make the horological products we watch collectors adore.  


A lot of WatchProSite members see the new shift of watch brands shifting away from multi-brand stores towards mono-brand stores as a bad thing and as purely profit taking move.  

I disagree, and I've said this time and time again to individuals whom I've met, taking on the endeavor of building a store and managing a store is a big risk for any brand.  It is especially a huge financial risk.  As retail operations are extremely costly.  Most people don't know this, but a typical luxury jewelry/watch retailer will spend around 10% of their revenue on rent alone!  Another 50%+ for cost of goods sold.  So there's really not a lot of margin remaining.  

Having spoken with multiple CEOs and collectors, I've assembled a few perspectives, most consumers often don't see things from the perspective ..

1a.  Majority Collectors' Perspective: we like multi-branded stores as the store; for instance a store that sells Patek Philippe, Vacheron Constantin, Breguet, and Lange & Soehne is neutral, as all of these brands are regarded as the top high horology brands.  They let the customer decide, and the staff isn't incentivized to push the customer in any direction as the staff presumably gets an identical commission regardless of what brand they sell.  

1b.  Minority Collectors' Perspective: we like mono-branded stores for the deep experience they offer.  True, as a collector of multiple brands, I have to maintain more relationships, and I occasionally get some sales pressure from a store.  

2a.  Industry executives have stated, they don't like this multi-brand approach.  Breguet's deep history and different approach of making watches is not always well reflected by staff in multi-brand stores says one Breguet employee.  A Lange executive informed me last year that Lange will transition to a more mono-brand environment - as Lange is very different from the Swiss brands and they need sales staff to reflect Lange's unique German approach to watchmaking.  They hope that the deeper experience and imparted knowledge about the unique aspects that make Lange special will resonate with certain clients who will really appreciate those special differences and thus become long-term Lange clients.  The executives do explicitly mention increased profit is not a motivating factor and that starting stores are a major financial risk.  

2b.  Industry executives have also stated that they do like the multi-brand approach IF there is an EQUITY PARTNER on site.  Thierry Stern of Patek Philippe has said that local family-operated jewelers with deep roots in the community give a sense of permanency and build lasting relationships with their clients.  This is the best way to sell personal accessories, with these very long-lasting relationships that are forged over decades of relationships.  Thierry Stern didn't explicitly say this part, but he implied that with proper training and extensive product knowledge is also extremely important for all dealers.  

3a.  The Business School Perspective (i.e. my Economics perspective), McDonalds sells three main items; hamburgers, French fries, and Sodas.  This is perfect to be integrated in one store as it allows clients to have a one-stop shop.  A client can get all three items in one store.  It would be inefficient to have three separate stores; one for hamburgers, a separate for French fries, and a third for sodas; consumers would have to make three different transactions and costs would be higher.  This McDonalds serves everyone, from the individual who needs a quick meal, to the average Joe.  But true gourmands may find the meal at McDonalds a little lacking as nothing is done superlatively well.  

3b.  HOWEVER, I'm not only a basic pragmatist, I also understand art and luxury transcends logic.  What if the three independent stores each with a separate door on the same street?  First door has a chef making artisanal handcrafted burgers, and this master burger griller didn't know how to make French fries quite as well...  The next door has a French fry maker had been making his own French fries for 40 years and was a Takumi expert in French fries, he even specifies his potato moisture and starch content and oil requirements to his vendors.  And the soda maker was a master blender who used to work in Grasse, France as a perfume maker and made the most delicious and botanical sodas...  This would mean that the gourmand would have a better experience.  

3c.  The ULTIMATE...  Combine 3a and 3b.  An expert high-end restaurant that combines all the arts under one roof with an exceptionally trained team of cooks, servers, and even a certified sommelier whom will advise clients what drinks to order.  Combine that with a charismatic owner who is on-site, welcoming patrons, shaking their hand, wishing his patrons happy birthday, anniversary, etc.  The restaurant's charismatic owner-manager also donates the uniforms to the local PeeWee Baseball team and donates pies to the local Boy Scouts Troop whenever the Scouts need to have a fundraiser.  Doesn't this benefit the community the most?  


So...  Which of these viewpoints do you agree with?  Any additional thoughts?  I hope that everyone isn't thinking that going to the boutique model is solely a profit move.  

Seems like corporate stores like Watches of Switzerland, Tourneau, Bucherer, and others might be in trouble, as they don't seem to appeal to neither 2a nor to 2b.  And they don't usually have an especially well trained staff nor strong ties with the local community like a family jeweler would have.  From a manufacturer perspective, these corporate stores don't seem to have a lot of major advantages other than having greater financial stability.  

Another thing, most consumers are not rational about their watch dealer/jeweler.  Most consumers state the service is superlative and the product knowledge is excellent.  Consumers often like their jewelers who feed their acquisition habit so much that they lose perspective.  I witnessed one collector rave about his salesperson's product knowledge and we witnessed the same salesperson have extreme difficulty explaining what the difference was from a Tourbillon and a normal balance and escapement wheel was to another client.  The collector later admitted he overstated his salesperson's product knowledge.  Thus, in order to even out the playing field, we have to go towards a standardized test, the FHH Academy Certification test with Advisor, Specialist, and Expert ratings.  This is definitely an area every store can improve.  In all my travels through Asia, Europe, and America, I have never once met a store where the majority of the staff were truly knowledgeable.  The test only takes two hours, and any retail employee with a competent working knowledge about watches should be able to pass the Advisor level.  Again, the build out of the interior of a Rolex store is often in the millions of dollars (the green glass panels, the wood panels, the limestone panels are all expensive), a mid-size mall location in Silicon Valley recently spent $3M on construction likely to be amortized over 10 years.  Yet, many stores balk at training costs; even spending 1% of this amount on employee training is a difficult ask for many stores.  

I hope you learned a different perspective today.  As always, I look forward to reading YOUR PERSPECTIVES as well!  Do you like Mono-brand stores or do you like Multi-brand stores?  




A boutique with some simulated outdoor space - the new FP Journe boutique in Manhattan!  

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Journe and Lange boutiques in Tokyo are by appointment only

 
 By: piccolochimico (aka dsgalaxy1) : August 8th, 2023-20:39
That's just the example of the Gaussian edge, which reflects the trends for few brands only. The mono brand store is the way to maximize the profit, no more discounts for anyone. Everything has been erased, as well as many ADs. The new policy for many bra... 

Spot on

 
 By: Krinck : August 8th, 2023-20:51
Well put, I completely agree with you.

Hmm... Let me make a suggestion...

 
 By: patrick_y : August 9th, 2023-04:45
You've indicated that you agree with piccolochimico (aka dsgalaxy1). Would you agree that both Mono-brand stores AND multi-brand stores force you to buy things you don't want in order to get the hard-to-get models? Because they certainly do, that's a cold... 

GMT is a fantastic store with some great brands and the family behind are great people who have been selling watches for generations.

 
 By: ChristianDK : August 8th, 2023-21:11
Working with he big groups they’ve moved on to the independents, including FP Journe, where they enjoy well deserved recognition.

My expectations are simple...

 
 By: patrick_y : August 9th, 2023-04:37
My expectations are simple. When I go into an establishment, I expect the people who work there be to be true professionals. Meaning they should know more about the product than a well informed consumer. Now, I realize I'm not the average well-informed co... 

According to you theory

 
 By: piccolochimico (aka dsgalaxy1) : August 9th, 2023-04:48
RO, Nautilus, GMT and other models are just like stock options, gold, bitcoin, etc. Ever since did the brands start to underline or mention the street price? It means that the values (not the commercial one), the history, the finishing, the bla bla bull##... 

Most respectfully, how did you arrive that this is my theory?

 
 By: patrick_y : August 9th, 2023-05:11
What is your basis for saying that I have this theory you speak of? How did I say a Nautilus watch is like a stock option? Where is this coming from?

What do people want?

 
 By: piccolochimico (aka dsgalaxy1) : August 9th, 2023-05:44
Those sought after. The more you buy from the boutique, the higher the chance to get what you want, but that's the normal relationship between a buyer and a seller. Some brands have waiting lists, others just care of your past and decide accordingly.

I enjoy the more focused, higher knowledge location provided they also have a very good selection to see / try on.

 
 By: enjoythemusic : August 8th, 2023-20:49
Also, imho they MUST have at least one watchmaker on-premise plus a good inventory of various (common) parts.

I am borrowing my wife's perspective

 
 By: jim_94104 : August 8th, 2023-21:18
since she definitely has more retail experience than me. "If I am spending the Birkin money, I want that unique Hermes biutique atmosphere". The shallow me just want to be pampered and treated like Royalty for a few minutes while I purchase that AP. That'... 

Uhh... I adore our member piccolochimico, but I very respectfully disagree with his comment.

 
 By: patrick_y : August 9th, 2023-04:43
You indicated you COMPLETELY AGREE with his comment. But I don't think you fully appreciated every aspect. I'll just raise one aspect... Piccolo implies that Mono-brand stores force you to buy things you don't want to get the watch you do want. Okay, I ag... 

Pampering is not the same as product knowledge.

 
 By: patrick_y : August 9th, 2023-05:09
Jim_94104, you're coming at this from your perspective. Which is a valid one. But you also need to come at it from a watch-company perspective; and that company wants to provide you with not just a pampering experience, but also one with a lot of product ... 

wow

 
 By: jim_94104 : August 9th, 2023-07:21
thank you for the lecture

You're most welcome.

 
 By: patrick_y : August 9th, 2023-15:59
I didn't mean it to come as a lecture, just trying to show you there are multiple ways to look at it. It's just about different perspectives. We always come from a consumer perspective based on OUR UNIQUE CONSUMER NEEDS and WANTS. But we often forget that... 

I am biased like anyone else

 
 By: piccolochimico (aka dsgalaxy1) : August 9th, 2023-16:04
Having spoken with multiple CEOs and collectors, I've assembled a few perspectives, most consumers often don't see things from the perspective . 1a. Majority Collectors' Perspective: we like multi-branded stores as the store; for instance a store that sel... 

With the utmost respect to you, I really like your post, but I can only partially agree...

 
 By: patrick_y : August 9th, 2023-19:39
I'm sure you talk to many CEOs and collectors at every level. I talk to collectors at every level too and at all different levels of income. But when you talk to CEOs, you're not asking the same kinds of questions that we journalists are asking. And also,... 

Thank you for your explanations!👍

 
 By: piccolochimico (aka dsgalaxy1) : August 9th, 2023-19:43

Point 3a

 
 By: cazalea : August 8th, 2023-22:41
Today in the Wall Street Journal an article made the point that their franchise stores should be upgrading their dining rooms - new tables and benches, better wall surfaces, nicer floors. The store operators are pushing back - pointing out that only 14% o... 

Feldmar is definitely an institution in LA.

 
 By: patrick_y : August 9th, 2023-18:29
And I'd say Feldmar does a reasonable job. Although I feel that with the GP Casquette launch, their communication to me about the watch I ordered was really poor - or nonexistent. Then again, there was an influx of dozens of requests that day. So they pro... 

I'm agnostic on the issue and can opine solely based on personal experience.

 
 By: Uncle Chico : August 9th, 2023-07:51
I do my own research before making a purchase. With the wealth of information available online, in journals and from friends, I generally do not need an expert level advisor when considering a purchase. I do enjoy chatting with a knowledgable sales repres... 

Yes. You're thinking from a "very experienced collector perspective" which is great...

 
 By: patrick_y : August 9th, 2023-18:44
... But at the same time, corporations don't always see it from this one sole perspective. You and I might always know more than the sales person knows about watches. But let's say a more normal consumer. A wealthy individual who doesn't own a nice watch,... 

Good summary, but doesn't the Internet with info and online sales change the traditional equation?

 
 By: SchmidtSol : August 9th, 2023-12:11
Thanks for this good insight, I agree with to a large extent. The only question is whether the Internet with its vast options of information and online purchase does not change the equation and trigger some changes over time. The in-demand brands facing a... 

It does to some extent...

 
 By: patrick_y : August 9th, 2023-19:09
The internet does change a lot of the equation. But on average, big ticket items are not purchased online in large quantities. HOWEVER, let's say you live in Arkansas, let's say you're moderately wealthy, a doctor in Arkansas (a province in USA). You stil... 

There is a third option: brand boutiques run by multi-brand dealers

 
 By: MrkK : August 9th, 2023-14:49
On the US West Coast, I have noticed that individual boutiques managed by a brand are sometimes being replaced by ones managed by an AD. They are still presented as brand boutiques and occupy separate areas within a larger AD space. In Las Vegas, for inst... 

Yes. There are two types of boutiques...

 
 By: patrick_y : August 9th, 2023-18:38
Two types of boutiques; they can be completely corporate owned and operated, and they can be co-managed with a local partner. For instance, the one that you're probably referring to, is probably operated by LV Luxury, a company that operates multiple watc... 

Meanwhile, in Los Angeles...

 
 By: India Whiskey Charlie : August 9th, 2023-17:10
Rolex Is Opening Two Massive Showrooms in Los Angeles Next Year

Indeed!

 
 By: patrick_y : August 9th, 2023-18:38
15,000 square feet! Massive! A temple to Rolex!

A few recent experiences, all within the last year or so:

 
 By: Henke : August 9th, 2023-22:21
Boutiques: Omega boutique - lots of stock from the latest releases, and amazing staff - the store manager who was a watch enthusiast and ended up talking about about her partner's new Christopher Ward - which is a nice demonstration for empathetic selling... 

That is true! Does depend a lot on the store!

 
 By: patrick_y : August 10th, 2023-00:18
You bring up a good point, the salespeople are biased towards whatever they have in stock! Right! That's totally true! Thank you for sharing your thoughts. There are definitely strengths with each method. But overall, I would say the strongest method is t... 

Thanks Patrick for starting a thought provoking

 
 By: Darron : August 10th, 2023-18:28
thread. I appreciate the business aspects; because in the end most larger Watch brands that are owned by conglomerates seemed to focus on profit more. I am not saying they that the mono store is solely profit based, your points about risk and controlling ... 

A great post Darrony!

 
 By: patrick_y : August 10th, 2023-19:06
15 years ago? I'd say SS ND Submariner Rolexes were still mostly readily available as early as 5 years ago. But don't worry too much! If you're not dying to own one, then you can forgo it! 15 years ago, that would mean the Baron and Leeds Rolex boutique a... 

Thanks Patrick_y , would love to see the Lange

 
 By: Darron : August 11th, 2023-01:49
curriculum 😀. I think the timing is about right; not saying I have been trying for 15 years to get an ND sub; that would be sad 😀; just saying at that particular time of my life, when I was offered I didn’t take advantage of it and wasn’t “ready”. Thank g... 

Indeed. No big regrets there!

 
 By: patrick_y : August 11th, 2023-04:32
I mean, even a nice Omega Moonwatch is interesting. Yes, Omega might be interpreted as lower in hierarchy than Rolex, and the Omega Speedmaster might be second to the Rolex Daytona... But when you're from the top looking down, they're both about the same.... 

While we digress; the moon watch

 
 By: Darron : August 11th, 2023-05:27
Was the rite of passage watch to many. 😀

I'm weird...

 
 By: patrick_y : August 11th, 2023-05:42
I started at the high end and I'm now exploring the lower end. So I went in the reverse direction!

Many interesting and different thoughts…

 
 By: MTR : August 11th, 2023-21:46
I think there are no “right” and “wrong” answers here. I personally can hardly imagine that a brand would have its own store and not focus on (more) profit. Personally, I prefer multi-brand stores. Because I love comparing watches from different manufactu... 

Absolutely, there is no right or wrong answer here...

 
 By: patrick_y : August 12th, 2023-02:45
There are a plethora of different answers to this, and generally as long as the reasoning behind them is sound, it's a valid answer/opinion. But let's say certain brands that aren't to be compared with other brands... Maybe they deserve their own boutique... 

You might laugh…

 
 By: MTR : August 12th, 2023-09:23
But once I was searching for a very „special“ unique PC. In the shortlist there was an amazing Blancpain with enamel dial, a very nice Patek with a stunning blue dial and a breathtaking Moser Purity. I tried and compared them in every aspect. And finally ... 

That's an amazing store to have all three under one roof!

 
 By: patrick_y : August 12th, 2023-16:38
They're all very nice PCs. That PURITY is super discreet. One wouldn't know it's a perpetual unless they looked very closely at the dial and figured out that there were hidden indicators on the back side.

It’s Bucherer in Vienna.

 
 By: MTR : August 12th, 2023-20:34
The PC Purity Line of Moser was limited to 50 pieces, in a bigger case (42mm) and with a very reduced design. Most of the indicators are on the front side. Best Thomas ...  

Ahhh! I've been in there!

 
 By: patrick_y : August 13th, 2023-01:51
Vienna also has one of the best fountain pen stores in the world too. Not to mention some amazing performing arts too! What a place! Glad the Bucherer is taking good care of you!