Vintage Breitling 809 Cosmonaute Scott Carpenter Part 1

Apr 26, 2018,18:13 PM
 

On May the 24th 1962, Scott Carpenter comes back from space. He is the 6th man to go there, the second american with to rteach orbit. Americans have now the same number of orbital flights as soviets, they catch up after losing to Sputnik and Gagarine.

The space race goes onm between USSR and USA, Kennedy and Kruschchev, NASA and Korolev.

Mercury capsule, fall into the ocean around Puerto Rico, on his wrist Carpenter wears a special Breitling, modified to his specifications: the Cosmonaute.

During recovery, the watch is submerged, dial is damaged, the watch is sent to Breitling ... and disappears.

Could it be this one? Had this Cosmonaute a trip in space?

Let's investigate

References

ref1: a great article in french on the beginning of Breitling , how it build up

www.invenitetfecit.com

ref2: an article on differet Navitimer by Kurt Broendum

people.timezone.com

ref3: How to use the slide rule

www.breitlingsource.com

ref4: the Mercury 7 , the first group of Astronaut to which Scott Carpenter belongs

en.wikipedia.org

Breitling a brand that counts

A long intro on Breitling because we finally talk little about even though it is a major brand like Rolex or Omega.

It helps to understand why the Comonaute makes sense in this brand and why one of the first astronaut ask it.

Breitling is a toolwatch brand, the today slogan is "instruments for professionals" and that what Breitling has always done.

Not really a specialist of divers (although there is the SuperOcean series) mais toolwatch to count and compute, that is the essence of the brand.

Breitling made his reputation on countersm Bord clock, industrial production toolsm "compte mouton" ("sheep counters" in french), decimal counters, pocket watches with tenth of second indication and obviously and especiallym chronograph and split-seconds.

As toolwatches, their dial are anonymous till the end of the 30s, they are made to supply industry, aviation pioneers, not to dress up.

credit: invenitetfecit

You don't wear a Breitling you use it

That what makes, for me, Breitling THE brand of chronographs. Others can see here Heuer, Universal Genève, Longines or others or others, everyone has his pros and cons.

But the long story of Breitling , the wide spectrum of instruments they made, gives it a special status to my eyes.

credit: Mikrolisk

credit: WatchFred

As a consequence of this specialization and excellent reputation in different measurement instruments, Breitling is a supplier for aviation, early in history. They supply Royal Air Force already in 1936 (I have also read USAF in 1942 but can't confirm). Aviation is where Breitling will mostly communicate and this is what we see.

But I will insist on that it was a broad brand, for any industrial needs, sport watches and so on.

credit: WatchFred


credit: watchfred

Here a board clock of a boeing 727.

credit: Ed l'épicier

But Breitling is not alone in the chronograph world, you have to innovate, good quality isn't enough.

Some innovations were made by Breitling. The 1933 patent on a two pusher wristwatch chornograph is one of them. But the patent do not hold, there were some innovations close to this one, in pocket watch especially and in 1934 Universal Geneve and Angelus offers two pushers chornographs.

Competition is toughm on board clock, there are also Breguet, Jaeger, Lemania, Longines, LIP, Zenith, Dodane etc...

Breitling will take an advantage on competitors by patenting the first chronograph with an integrated slide rude, it's the chronomat in 1941 . Neither Calculator nor computer existed at the time. Engineers use pen and paper, and slide rule, this chronomat will be an extremly useful instrument for lot of professionals, it's a success.

From this new chronomat, a new model is derived, studied to answer aircraft pilots requests. It's larger, has a special dial with wome specifics scales and is luminescent. This watch is the Navitimer, the brand's most famous model..

The Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association (AOPA) will make it its official watch. AOPA might be at the origin of the watch but nothing is certain. Breitling says it started in 1952, specialist have seen nothing before 1954. There is still mystery around this legend and how it went on the market.

My hypothesis is that the name was registered in 1952 but the first watches came on the market in 1954. It's a 41mm watch, which is huge at the time for a civilian watch. Many chornographs rarely goes over 36. Sure there were military chronoraph that went above but it was in a special period. It makes it one of the largest civilian watch of its time.

Certainly the most beautiful wearable computer ever made smile

credit: taken form an article of David Mycko

Noodia's shot of a beautiful Navitimer from a fellow collector on my wrist

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Breitling 809 Cosmonaute part 2: genesis in space

 
 By: cisco : April 7th, 2015-08:50
Scott Carpenter is an astronaut among 7. 7 that are the NASA Pioneers, the group 1, the group of the Mercury Project. An elite of jet pilot coming from different army corpses: Air Force, Navy and Marine. 7 among 508 army candidate, 7 filling those criteri...  

Breitling 809 Cosmonaute Part 3: the beauty that became a beast

 
 By: cisco : April 7th, 2015-09:02
Unlike many toolwatches, Breitling are elegant, far from the brutal thickness that you can find in other toolwatches ( which has its own charm for sure). It's something typical that you can also find on SuperOcean 807 and 1004, divers that are thin and re...  

This watch deserved a serious review, and you did it, François.

 
 By: amanico : April 7th, 2015-11:02
A pleasure to read, I learned a lot of things on a reference I don't know very well, by far. The 24 hours dial makes a big difference. What a look. Thanks also to hilight the case and the lugs. Nice bevels. A Ref post I will certainly come back to read, o... 

Thank you Nicolas

 
 By: cisco : April 7th, 2015-12:30
The effort was worth it ;) dial and bezel make a difference , the dial is easier to see in photos but irl the bezel is quite something, Compare here is the profile of an 806 found on the net. and here my Cosmonaute. ...  

Obviously sexier. ;)

 
 By: amanico : April 7th, 2015-12:53

Just finished reading thru your thread, François . . .

 
 By: Dr No : April 7th, 2015-12:16
. . . a thousand thanks for taking the time and making the effort to share it with us. What a thrill it would be to have a connection with Carpenter confirmed by Breitling! Art

Thank you Art :)

 
 By: cisco : April 7th, 2015-12:34
I think it's good to dream and it makes a nice story for the review :) (another thing is whatever Breitling says, it would be nice if they provide proofs , collectors would appreciate to see something from them... at the moment the way they manage vintage... 

Thank you for sharing all this! :)

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : April 7th, 2015-12:38
Great post about a watch living in the shadow of the Speedmaster in fame as space watch! Much appreciated! :) Best Blomman

in the shadow... coughing...

 
 By: cisco : April 7th, 2015-13:08
THAT is a spacewatch , conceived for this and worn in condition before any other chornograph or swiss wristwatch. The astronaut asked for it, it's not a brand that desperately try to get there. There is no other spacewatch (don't take it seriously, it's j... 

Delightful post cisco & 24 h dials rock!

 
 By: =RWK= : April 8th, 2015-09:28
Thank you for your efforts here. Cheers, -- Richard.

Thank wou rwk

 
 By: cisco : April 8th, 2015-11:33
All black Navitimers are beautiful imho, I love them. But this one is special for sure :)

Fantastic watch and review!

 
 By: MattS : April 11th, 2015-03:23
Congratulations and thanks for this master review Matt

What a wonderful read !..& the superb result of lots of passion, knowledge & splendid pics

 
 By: hs111 : April 7th, 2015-12:52
.. I am neither a Breitling collector nor expert, but your series are fantastic ! Thank you so much for taking the efforts and sharing them here ; a pleasure to read from line one on. - I've bookmarked all your parts ! My very Best, hs

Thanks hs for your aprreciation

 
 By: cisco : April 7th, 2015-13:10
very honoured to read these compliments and happy you enjoyed it. cheers François

Une revue fantastique

 
 By: ztirual : April 7th, 2015-14:38
well worth being shared and published in english. Kind regards Z'

merci Z :) [nt]

 
 By: cisco : April 7th, 2015-16:06

Nice, very nice and when we talk about Navitimer and AOPA ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : April 7th, 2015-15:24
we should also look at the lattest one from Basel 2015: Of course, yours is much nicer and (probably) a rare find. Still I think the new one isn´t bad either :-) Great post! Oliver ...  

Thank you Oliver

 
 By: cisco : April 7th, 2015-16:25
It's hard to compare new watches and vintage. I like vintage but new watches are important because when a line didn't stop for more than 60 years, it means something, it's good for the new watches as for vintage one. Thanks for the photo :) You might be s... 

Fantastic Post! You made me write an Astronaut post in response

 
 By: cazalea : April 7th, 2015-18:54
since I was just able to see and hear many of the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo heros. Thanks for the recap of the Breitling Navitimer. Cheers, Cazalea PS Here's the LINK TO APOLLO 13 REUNION

Thank you Cazalea!

 
 By: cisco : April 7th, 2015-23:59
What a blessing for you to be part of this meeting! For the Mercury 7, only John Glenn remains, what an adventure it was! François

Scott Carpenter - From Cosmonaut to Aquanaut.

 
 By: Bill : April 7th, 2015-19:05
People Under the SEA. - SEALAB SEALAB II was a completely new habitat, 57 by 12 feet in size, and unlike SEALAB I included hot showers and refrigeration. It was placed in the La Jolla Canyon off the coast of California, at a depth of 205 fsw (62 m). On Au... 

Wow amazing Bill, thanks for your help and answer.

 
 By: cisco : April 8th, 2015-00:15
These guys were an elite. Not everyone can be a jet pilot, to be a jet test pilot, have a bachelor degree and have top physical condition makes a statement on who these guys were. And one of seven in the end. Carpenter wanted to discover and although ther... 

Great reference post

 
 By: Mark in Paris : April 8th, 2015-05:15
I didn't have the time to read it completly but couldn't wait to thank you for the quality of your work. I'll take time to read it in full, thanks a lot for sharing François :) Cheers, Mark

Thanks Mark :) [nt]

 
 By: cisco : April 8th, 2015-11:31

That’s a great review !

 
 By: Cpt Scarlet : April 28th, 2018-16:06
What a fantastic era and some great photos. Thanks for all your hard work on this subject.

So much work. Much appreciated

 
 By: watch-guy.com : April 28th, 2018-16:24
Even more so since I found this beauty There is a wonderful history to this model Thanks for unfolding the story Julian ...