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Agree that it is very difficult to say ... it depends very much on how much mainstream collectors know about the laureato 8010 and are able to process
From experience, we know that mainstream can process very little. They rely on influencers to tell them what to buy. Also, price value begets price value. It is beyond logic.
From the fundamentals, there are no reasons why the laureato 801 and the laureato 8017 is so cheap now. We saw the same thing happen with royal oaks and nautilus. In 2015, once could still get a 5711 with a discount from an AD.
We also see from the auction prices of the original 222 in steel, that the prices were not crazy high relative to what we see today. www.christies.com
But as you say, the "Dynamics" or perception of brand value is what this rotates around. No so much the rarity, beauty etc of the Laureato 8010.
The original VC 222 was never a hot watch until the 222 historiques was launched.
Something to think about ...
Let's see ...
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VC 222 & the GP Laureato 8010
Friends, I read this interesting post on Instagram on the VC 222 by the respected folks at Hairspring. With the relaunch of the heritage 222 in full gold, we also saw a massive amount of interest in the original 222. Could we see a similar phenomenon happ...
The 50th anniversary hopefully provides an opportunity for GP to highlight its own history and very cool pieces.
Especially given the opportunity to obtain previous pieces at great value, I’m eager to see a revival next year.
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Well said. This brand (GP) is a bit whacky … they have such an amazing history and they do such a shitty job in making it all clear to collectors. 😄 🤝
If next year GP release again the 8010, my wishes are...
1. Don't mess about the size. 36-38 mm is perfect. 2. 100 meter WR with screw down crown. 3. Keep the thinness. 4. An all brushed bracelet. I understand that the polished center link is the part of GP's intention for a bit dressy sport watch...but still I...
Nice but there won’t be another 8010
It will be a new reference. As for your suggestions: 1. Don't mess about the size. 36-38 mm is perfect. Marc- yep, already 36 mm now 2. 100 meter WR with screw down crown. Marc-already 10 ATM now 3. Keep the thinness. Marc- yep, 7.9 mm now 4. An all brush...
I'm not a fan of the Laureato personally.
To me, the Laureato just never looked great on my wrist. However, I do feel that the movement is much better than many other equivalent models - as the GP movement is higher end than the Chopard Alpine Eagle movement. But not necessarily higher end overal...
Thanks for sharing your thoughts Patrick
VC has the heritage and I respect the brand especially for how it values and protects its brand image. But let's not forget the troubles that VC has had over the last 30 years as well. It was sold a few times ... bounced around to some buyers from the mid...
Very true. VC was in a tumultuous time when it was passed around...
Middle Eastern companies are usually good at managing luxury hotels - but they're not always good at managing luxury watch brands - nor luxury Swiss music box brands. And honestly, we shouldn't single out the Middle Eastern Private Equity firms, that goes...
I don’t see that happening.
VC was already hot with overseas. So releasing 222 was at the peak of the watch craze was very smart. GP, with all due respect, is not on the same level and doesn’t have the pedigree or the demand. Just IMHO.
Appreciate your thoughts Gary but ...
See my response to Patrick as start. GP has heritage and pedigree in fact. They are high horology and extremely technical. Do they have the same prestige and brand value as VC ? Certainly not. This is the fault of the management and their lack of distribu...
😊 Same for me ... but I like them both. 222 and the Laureato 8010
It's a shame that some still can not get past the hype blinders. Some claim how much they love the original 222 but only AFTER the 222 historiques was launched. It could well be the same for the Laureato 8010 and also the Laureato Olimpico chronograph ref...
Can’t wait to see what they do for 50th anniversary of the Laureato!
What would you like to see and or anticipate Marc?
I can't share too much : ) ... and also outside of the scope of what I would like to share here in this post with the parallels I see between the original 222 and the Laureato 8010.
What I can say is that I think with the 50th anniversary of the laureato, there will be clear references to the laureatos of the past and with it, we will see much greater awareness (and possibly demand) of the Laureato 8010 and the Laureato-Olimpico 8017...
Excited to hear the incoming new laureatos next year.
Lets hope GP does not play stupid games like "very expensive limited edition" , or "artificial " scarcity... just let we "average" collector get our great GPs.
They always play their “stupid games”
And then the stupid ADs do their bundling deals (buy 2 GPs and get a patek as a reward) and then the GO ends up on the secondary market eventually at below MSRP. Just have to wait and be patient. 🤝
Difficult to say…
But the vintage 222s have had a massive rise in market value already years before the reissue 222 was released - not sure the same dynamics apply to the Laureato 🤷🏻♂️
Agree that it is very difficult to say ... it depends very much on how much mainstream collectors know about the laureato 8010 and are able to process
From experience, we know that mainstream can process very little. They rely on influencers to tell them what to buy. Also, price value begets price value. It is beyond logic. From the fundamentals, there are no reasons why the laureato 801 and the laureat...