patrick_y
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My recommendation...
Don't order the Model 3 just yet. You have way too many cars!
I would only order the Model 3 if I decided I wanted to drive tremendous mileage within my local jurisdiction (since the range is limited, you can't drive it outside).
The main reason why I would want a Model 3 is if my mileage goes up, then I want to reduce the burden on the planet. Let's say the cost of petrol and the cost of electricity is equivalent to the environmental damage they create. Unfortunately we don't know how environmentally damaging it is to build a Model 3 and build a normal ICE car; but those "sunk costs" can't be easily calculated.
The cost/environmental-cost to operate my current car is around $0.24 a mile assuming premium gasoline is $4 per US Gallon. We are assuming that pollution costs and environmental costs should be targeted at around $4/US Gallon.
The cost/environmental-cost to operate a Tesla Model 3, assuming I get 3 miles per kWh (air conditioning on, and mostly highway driving), and assuming a kWh of electricity is $0.13 at evening recharge rates, the cost per mile is around $0.043 per mile.
Overall, I imagine that the power plant producing energy (electricity in Northern California comes mostly from natural gas, wind, and hydro electric power) is probably even less pollutive than 1/6th gasoline, but I'm not certain.
But the tradeoff is only significant and worthy of the investment of a new car if you drive a large amount of mileage a year! So if I drove only 5,000 miles a year, it's not worth the trade-off to get a new car, since so much pollution goes into manufacturing a new car. But if I drive 25,000 miles then it might be worthwhile. From a cost perspective, 25,000 a year in my current car is $6000 in petrol! VS $1075 for electricity!
The other smart thing to do might be to consider a used electric car. The BMW i3 is well made and the factory was green from the start. The car is designed to have maximum value in recycling too. And a 2015 BMW i3 with Range Extender can be had for around $16K to $17K USD, Certified.
Tesla Model 3 Review of both the Long Range RWD and Performance AWD with Performance Upgrade Package
Patrick_y shares his very favorable thoughts on the new Tesla Model 3 Long Range RWD and Performance AWD with Performance Upgrade Package on PuristSPro. Tesla Model 3 Long Range in optional Silver Metallic with standard 18 Inch Aero Wheel Living in San Fr...
Thank you!
What is Ferrari, Lamborghini, and Aston Martin going to do? Porsche is already starting to make electric cars with its Taycan. I'm still a petrolhead, but I understand, pragmatically, dinosaur fuel powered vehicles are going to go away eventually. Electri...
They need to get on it!
I should go to Tesla and tell them to put me on the task of getting SGP online with Tesla. I wonder what the hold up is...
Thank you for reading! It's a long one!
It's a long read. 2200 words! It's missing a lot of the basic information that you'll see in magazines. I was trying to achieve a review that would tell the reader information that other magazines haven't mentioned. Since many of those whom are interested...
it s a good one mate
actually i was on the preorder (EU) but rather cancelled until they are get on track .
I'm on the pre-order list too...
But I'm undetermined on what I want to do. California gives out stickers for electric cars to use special "Carpool" lanes that supposedly have less traffic. This is to incentivize you to carpool or to buy an electric car. These stickers now expire every 3...
Me too. I'm a little nervous!
Tesla has a huge backlog of vehicles to deliver. They produced many more vehicles than they sold in June because they wanted to make sure that they hit the 200,000 US Sales number in July, not in June. So I imagine they held back on delivering vehicles to...
Nice review Patrick, thank you
As you know I have had electric cars, hybrids, good old internal combustion motors, and I've driven the Mirai and Clarion hydrogen fuel cell vehicles. I haven't been in a model 3 although I've driven the S, the X and the roadster. The 3s are popping up ev...
My recommendation...
Don't order the Model 3 just yet. You have way too many cars! I would only order the Model 3 if I decided I wanted to drive tremendous mileage within my local jurisdiction (since the range is limited, you can't drive it outside). The main reason why I wou...
The Roadster is so you...
I know you like Lotus vehicles, and that Roadster is practically a Lotus!
Go and try one!
Go and try one! You'll definitely be convinced to go electric in the future! How many cars can do a 3.5 seconds 0-60 time and cost only $64K? 1. In the long run, it should be more reliable. Electric cars have much fewer moving parts. 2. The cars drive wel...
I'm already convinced...I just rarely drive!
I test drove a Model S and a Model X and really enjoyed both...I'm sure the 3 is even more appealing given the compact size and interior design. My wife and I commute by water taxi and so our existing car (a VW) spends most of its life in our underground ...
Can you get charging at your flat?
A lot of the communal garages don't have charging. And it'd be expensive to put in chargers. Is this a possibility for you?
You’re right about mileage making a decent deal happen
We can only get to LA and back on one charge. Everywhere else we’d have to recharge on the road which costs more than at home. Except for the Supercharger network which is .26 / kWh in Calif. Our time-of-day metering plan at home is .28 / kWh at night and...
Holy, that's expensive electricity...
San Diego night electricity is $0.28 per kWh? You sure? There should be a special rate for Electric cars to bring that down. Here in the SF Bay Area, assuming you use PG&E Utility Co. the rates are around $0.13 from 11PM to 7AM. Your rate is double! You'd...
Your electric rates are sometimes double that of the Electric Rates in San Francisco!
Peak is 2PM to 9PM (M to F); 3PM to 7PM on weekends and holidays, and is $0.47/kwh Partial Peak is 7AM to 2PM and 9PM to 11PM and is $0.26/kwh Off Peak is 11Pm to 7AM (M to F); 7PM to 3PM on weekends and holidays and is $0.13/kwh
Thanks for the in-depth Model 3 review!
The only qualm I have of the Model 3 Performance model is the price tag because for just a little more, you can get yourself a Model S 75D. And cause of this, I don't think Tesla will sell many of these Performance Model 3's. Who knows. Maybe I'm wrong an...
They will make money...
Tesla should make a margin off the base model. A smaller margin, but they should make money. The problem is that they include all the hardware even with the base model. So all the cars cost about the same to build (Premium package costs a bit more, extra ...
I've had my Model 3 since early January and I LOVE IT!!
Mine is obviously LR RWD as that was the only one available for early deliveries. I am not a car snob -- have had many more expensive and many less expensive cars. For my needs, this is honestly my favorite car I have ever owned. The size is perfect in th...
Coming from a guy who has owned very nice cars...
How can you say you're not a car person when you had a "Breitling logo" car? Thanks for sharing SteveH! Anything else we should know about the car? Is there any special tricks you've learned? I was told by another person he keeps the rear view monitor on ...
No special tricks for me, I really just use it like a perfectly designed tool...
It does exactly what I need it to do without thinking much about it. It's comfortable, relaxing, nimble, efficient, and just plain works
Glad to hear it "plain works"
Reliability is always an issue on cars and it's good to know that there haven't been any major issues so far!