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Leon, that is maybe the Center of the Problem
Very interesting point you made...
The problem with this watch is that everybody expected something astronomic, due to the treasing ad, and the problem is also that Lange has a very classic image, and why not saying it this way, a lot ofd people think that they are prisoners of this image:
A Classic Brand, very consensual, with an understated elegance.
But we forget a bit too fast that Lange is also Innovation.
The 31 Days, for example.
This one, now.
If another brand would have presented this watch, would the critics be the same?
I'm not judging, nor defending, but just elaborating my position on this topic.
When I first saw the pics of the RL PLM, I was not that impressed...Till I saw it in the flesh.
I don't want to make the same mistake, and want to see it in the lfesh before ginving my own sentiment about this watch.
A sentiment which would only reflet my taste.
As for deleting the topic, I'm happy you understood me, but it wasn't only because of the embargon, but laso because of a certain photoshop which I found not very appropriate to our forum.
I won't say more, but those who saw it will understand me...
As for your request, no problems, my friend.
Make a post on the JLC forum, it will be easier for me to post the tons of pics I have of your watch.
Best,
Nicolas
Lange ZeitWerk, Here it is
This is a strong watch, made in Platinum, White Gold, Yellow Gold or Rose Gold. The case is 41, 9 mm big for 12,6mm heigh, which gives it some nice volumes. The movement is a new one, the Cal L 043.1, a 3/4 plate, decorated and finnished " ala Lange " whi...
shocked!!!!!!!!!!!!
I only have a second between appointments.......I don t know what to say.....I posted once "Will Lange knock me out again?"...Well it did......wasn t expecting this.....I need to sit down one second and think about it.........Mo
Take your time, MO... :)
Indeed this watch deserves to be appreciated in time... Best, Nicolas
Well... I've been looking for a white dial rose gold piece
Would you know when it gets to ADs?
Still don't know nothing about availability, my friend...
But will ask. Perhaps Stephen knows? Best, nicolas
Haha, not me, oh no, not yet....
But I will tell you guys once things are more solid, like the Platinum case that i will get mine in. Cheers Stephen
Different
Different, yes. But not cool, in my opinion. Interesting design, but I don't think they'll sell too many.
Think you might have got this one slightly wrong
Cant find one anywhere for love nor money!!!!!!!!! They sell quicker than hot cakes outside a weight watchers club.
Stephen has ordered the Pt. version before seeing it in the metal!
I think he has made the right choice. Not too sure about the WG version... but it's best to see it in the metal first. Thanks for sharing. The pics here are better than those compared to the other sites. Warm regards, iAn
My buddy Ianny, you advertise me before I even said anything, haha
This watch IS A BEAUTY. Don't you agree? I wish you get yours in the WG if you like the black dial. Cheers Stephen
I think I'm 'retired' from this hobby.....
if they keep coming out watches above 39mm :-( *CL
Hmmmmmm
It seems like ALS was trying to exploit their glorious date window in a new way? Eh...... I'm sure it will have its way with a handful of collectors and over time become more popular, but.... it does nothing for me, personally! This message has been edite...
Very unique design.
I need to see them in flesh but from the pictures I like more the white gold version. Do we have the prices and the availability? Aris
The only thing I have about the movement is
Some Technical pics... Showing the constant force device: And the jumping hour and minutes shema: That's all for the moment, but we'll certainly be able to see it in the flesh soon. Best, Nicolas This message has been edited by Dje on 2009-05-08 06:51:24...
About availability, don't know
But about prices, more or less the price of a RG Dato and a platinum Dato... Best, nicolas
What I heard so far ...
prices are "close" to the prices of the Dato in the different metals. YG is the cheapest, then RG+WG and on the top PT. Hope this info is ok with the forum rules. If not - delete. Oliver
New line and regular production I suppose
To be seen in the flesh before final appreciation. A case-back pic will be of great interest. Thanks for this post with other pictures than those found on other sites. Best, patrickh
you never mentionned it is a LE. It is only a DATE for L&S
to add this new modern line in their catalog and we have could expected by the teaser, this model should be dedicated to a special event.. Patrickh
Thanks for the photos Nicolas
When I first heard about the watch at SIHH, I didn't quite expect this. But it is impressive nonetheless and kudos to Lange! - SJX
I bet nobody expected this, Aesthetically and Horologically speaking, SJX
A BIG SURPRISE! Best, Nicolas This message has been edited by amanico on 2009-05-07 08:35:42
Thanks for all the info mon ami...
Just a correction for our friends out there, the small seconds hand is NOT zero-reset, it's just a normal stop seconds ( hacking seconds). WOnder if you meant the 1st one but miswrote it for the 2nd. Cheers Stephen
Stop seconds, you're right, Stephen.
My bad... Best and thanks a lot of for the correction. And for the nice words, too! Nicolas
OMG! I am lost for words...
This will surely make me rethink about my love for Lange. I have nothing against jumping hours and minutes, but what kind of genius came up with the idea of inscribing a Jockey undershirt on the dial? I hope I will change my mind when the whole concept si...
ALS has officially jumped the shark!
Thanks for the report Nicolas. I commend ALS's innovation, creativity and advancement of watch technology. That being said, this new piece is, IMHO, not commensurate with ALS' extraordinary tradition of excellence. Yes, the movement is impressive, but the...
LoL Craig, are you sure?
Maybe you shouldn't jump to conclusions so fast. Have a look at it again, at the choices available, you just might find yourself changing course... Then again, of course no one to force you, but as for me, i'm jumping on it! Cheers Stephen
Stephen, I respect your impecable taste . . .
Perhaps my opinion will change over time, particularly as senility sets it, but for now, I am left empty and disappointed. Craig
By the way Mon ami, love the way how you put the Pt version
As the very 1st shot, while other sites would have put it as at least the 2nd shot. Know your purity and love for the metal like me... And i'm real glad you are OUR MODERATOR! Merci beaucoup! Stephen
I don't know ...
not ugly but not very beautifull. When speaking of watches I'm an old fart so this might be too modern for me. But give me some months and let me see one before I'll make my final judgement
and one thing I don't get and don't like
they create a perfect symmetric watch but why do we have a screw at the right side of the hours and something like a gold chaton at the left side ot the minutes ? Couldn't they use 2 screws or 2 chatons ?
Unprecedented experience for me, I must say.
I've gone from scratching my head to loving it in a matter of 2 hours. I can't wait to see it in person. There is something epic about this one.
I find it interesting, but what is in the symmetric position to the dial screw...
and why is there such a screw on the dial?
Letting this one sink in...
When looking at a watch for the first time, I usually know right away if it is a "must have." In this case, my first impression is "no, thanks." The concept is terrific, though the dial execution leaves me cold. On the bright side, it certainly makes my G...
Thanks Nicolas
I was expecting a minute repeater and Lange launched something completely different. It's certainly very innovative. My least favourite metal is the WG because of the sharp contrast between the silver and black/charcoal dial.
This watch pays hommage to the Opera House Clock
Beautiful, and oddly symmetrical. This watch almost reminds me of a watch with a digital display. This watch pays its hommage to the original Dresden Opera House Clock, except that it does have the minutes instead of every five minutes (the Dresden Opera ...
I Thought The Same
The Semper Opera House in Dresden is one of the great small opera houses in Europe. Douglas
I LOVE Lange watches, and have never seen one I did'nt like...
till NOW. For me Lange is not only the best company brand out there IMHO, but also one of the very, very few that really preserves the values of traditional, heritage, sybarite-like horlogerie. This model is in my opinion too avant-garde for a brand with ...
It's all about taste, Leon
The interesting thing is that watch leads to passionate discussions, and I love that. Agree that the easthetics of the dial is uncommon for a Manufacture Like Lange. But Ugly? I think that each time we see new things, we have to let a bit of time pass, an...
Of course Nicolas!
Hi Nico! I undestarnd you had to delete the post because of the embargo, no argue with that. I'm truly sorry if my early intervention lead to any different impression. When an embargo is on, is our responsability to respect this innuendos for the good of ...
Leon, that is maybe the Center of the Problem
Very interesting point you made... The problem with this watch is that everybody expected something astronomic, due to the treasing ad, and the problem is also that Lange has a very classic image, and why not saying it this way, a lot ofd people think tha...
Nicolas- a very good point....
watch making is about innovation too and we should expect this from great makes. I am not certain yet if I like this watch or not. I have to see it and try it on to make a call However, I was Lange, I would be extremely satisfied about the fact that this ...
Fitting in the Lange collection?
Hello Lange Purists, does this watch fit in the entire Lange collection? Of course it really doesn´t, being so different - of course it does, being so different. It all depends on your point of view. It does not have the classic aesthetic features I ...
It's genius actually!
Because think about it! Now you get to see the amazing Lange 'date window' change every single minute! That feature alone may seduce many who initially think this design is well, " ".
I'm indifferent.
Just kidding Nicolas my friend!! Put me on the "love it" side. Especially the platinum and RG versions. The WG really accentuates the boldness of the silver dial plate, perhaps too much so IMO. The crown at 2 is especially nice. Thanks for the post!
Yuo know what watch I had in mind when seeing this Lange, Michael?
The UN 160 Anniversary...! Think about it: Commemorative watch + Horological expression + original design for both of these watches! Best, Nicolas
Agree on all counts!
The 160 was somewhat polarizing aesthetically as well when introduced, but has surely been accepted over time. It is a legend for UN, and I believe the ZW will be for Lange as well.
Mixed emotions
First of all, the work on the caliber is stunning. In less than 4 months, Lange released 2 calibers which are unique in the industry. Congrats to them ! But if I was seduced by the design of the RL PLM, that's not the case here. I have the feeling to see ...
What a technical piece !!
Merci Nicolas ! well like many people here, my felings are mixed depending on the side of the watch. So, OK, the dial could have been -much- better, but after one day looking at it, it gets a bit better depending on the color of this odd top part. Now, to...
I'm going with my 1st impression...
...and I refuse to overthink my reaction to this model, because I really do believe the ZeitWerk is a watch that is all about emotion. Big, bold, operatic, sweeping, emotions. You don't design a dial like the one on the ZeitWerk unless you want to give ev...
Daos, nicely put.
I am reserving comment until I have a chance to view the watch (particularly its backside ) in person. I certainly owe Lange that much. I've yet to be disappointed at either side of a Lange, and I have no frame of reference against which to judge the dial...
I knew it, Daos
You work for Lange! ): Lange wouldn't have put it better, Sister. When I spoke about the bridge, it was in a symbolic way, in a aesthetic point of view, and frankly I don't know if there is an utility to it. I guess YES, but I don't know. I'm exactly on t...
I am pleased that I can experience ...
.... the same emotions that I assume the Lange 1 evoked when it came out. I was not interested at the time but I have read about that watch having felt iconoclastic and out there, aspects I could not see in it. Pretty clearly this watch is another stateme...
Reserving judgement until it's on the wrist.
At first glance I'm very intrigued. I like the wg dark dial combination the best. I wish it wasn't so large or came in a smaller version as well. Looks like jumping hour/minutes will be the next trend in watches. I guess we will see this from many brands ...